Sheesh

[Grord]

it really sucks that people spoil loot that hasn't even dropped.

[Dustin2583]

It's ONE item from plane of time...casters will get items with effects that are going to be on par with that staff, so quit crying.

Don't automatically jump to conclusions based on ONE item when no one has even entered the zone yet. Plane of Time will be the new uber guild farming zone, just like VT and NToV were for their respective expansions. Believe it or not, there is actually going to be caster stuff in there too!

Quit freaking out over one item out of a zone where if it's anything like VT or NToV (which I'm sure it will be), there will be 25+ loots per trip. You will get yours.

[Leatherneck]

Casters don't need shit to be brought up to melee level, if anything, pure damage dealing melee could us an increase in power to catch us.

Nerf or Boost.

Care to take bets on which way it'll go?

[Velael]

They didn't nerf melee damage dealing in Velious, they slowly raised the power of casters (through things like the bane spells, and finally culminating in the resist lowering patch). I would hope they follow the same path with the reverse situation now.

As a side, melee vs. caster isn't as bad now as it was in early Velious, when damage casting classes were virtually worthless. Is it a bit out of whack at the very top? Probably, but weapons like this should help out with that.

[Merauk]

Originally posted by Jules(Europa)
2: Stun(0.0 sec/65)

Gonna be a lot of dead monks if that is the proc.

[userr0101]

Originally posted by Velael
Bear let me clue you in.

As EQ currently stands, caster damage >>> melee damage. Frozboz, myself, and some other wizards set out to prove that wizards didn't "suck" in xp groups, like the myth had it. We logged a ton of fights (raids and xp groups - Frozboz did a ton of work comparing himself to the best melees in the game (FoH)). Guess what we found? Not only were we the #1 damage dealers on raids (often by a 2 or 3 to 1 ratio) we also outdamaged any melees over time in xp groups.

Casters don't need shit to be brought up to melee level, if anything, pure damage dealing melee could us an increase in power to catch us. Wizards with massive focus, max-FT, and all the AA goodies are just insane damage machines, and that's ignoring Mages and Necros who both are immensely powerful in their own right. I'm not calling for a nerf to my chosen class (and one I've played for 3 years now - in about every environment), but I certainly am not crying because monks will get a badass 2h weapon. I have monk friends, that owns for them.

wow someone with a fucking clue. cool.

are you reading this shit bear??? let me quote it again for you, dumbass

Originally posted by Velael
Bear let me clue you in.

As EQ currently stands, caster damage >>> melee damage. Frozboz, myself, and some other wizards set out to prove that wizards didn't "suck" in xp groups, like the myth had it. We logged a ton of fights (raids and xp groups - Frozboz did a ton of work comparing himself to the best melees in the game (FoH)). Guess what we found? Not only were we the #1 damage dealers on raids (often by a 2 or 3 to 1 ratio) we also outdamaged any melees over time in xp groups.

Casters don't need shit to be brought up to melee level, if anything, pure damage dealing melee could us an increase in power to catch us. Wizards with massive focus, max-FT, and all the AA goodies are just insane damage machines, and that's ignoring Mages and Necros who both are immensely powerful in their own right. I'm not calling for a nerf to my chosen class (and one I've played for 3 years now - in about every environment), but I certainly am not crying because monks will get a badass 2h weapon. I have monk friends, that owns for them.

utility, versatility, ability to solo, insane dps. dont even get me started. to restate - go solo and shut the fuck up.

[Gjin]

Lucy has the item listed from the test server. Until it drops on a Live server it could very well be another urban legend like this. If you can't remember, that staff was a kunark-era item on Test, yet never dropped on a regular live server. If it does go live, there will probably be eqivalent suitable weapons for the other melee/hybrid.

[Algol Devilstar]

dropped on rodcet I'm pretty sure as I remember someone trying to sell it for a million pp. That was a long time ago(kunark) and I can't be 100% sure.

[Drutt]

Im more disturbed by the fact that these days, thanks to EQ gone high tech, it´s no longer the guild who gets the kill who shows the latest loot. Instead, your local hackerkid will show you the l33test shit so we can whine about items before they even exist.

Next step is going to be what, someone figuring out what DPS the next boss mob has before anyone has even seen it?

[Bear]

do you mean those funny logs where you have a fight time from like 60% so casters can med to full and shine better? try to get a better puller and fight 90% of the time and you will see whos owning in dps depart with current weapons. wasnt there a thread on graffe where and uber equiped wiz got easily out done by a about same equiped rogue? go read those logs then . but what i care dream you dreams of being best dmg dealer .

[Destinae]

You could do 1/2 the damage of a pure melee class and you'd still be the most useful person on half the raids because of stupidly designed mobs that AE rampage or have insane low range AEs.

Feign Death > stun proc.

[BirgittePovar]

Originally posted by Bear
do you mean those funny logs where you have a fight time from like 60% so casters can med to full and shine better? try to get a better puller and fight 90% of the time and you will see whos owning in dps depart with current weapons. wasnt there a thread on graffe where and uber equiped wiz got easily out done by a about same equiped rogue? go read those logs then . but what i care dream you dreams of being best dmg dealer .

Gee, a log on a Wizard web site complaining Wizards don't do enough damage? No way! You've really found something here.

Every websight devoted to a class can give hour long diatribes about why their particular class sucks. Graffe's is no different. None of this makes the arguments true. This board is fairly class neutral. Something you read here is more likely to be the truth than something you read on one of the class specific sights, at least as it pertains to the high end game.

You did notice, of course, that the group posed above was a FoH group, with one of the best pullers in the game? No, wait, you are too busy arguing that Graffe's says Wizards are inferior. Nevermind.

[Warriortaco]

OMG let's all forget that it was mentioned, though with other words... that some l33t players are able to cR@xoR the code for the item database, being able to get the item link. Let's also forget that when VI fixed the link problem (they partially disabled them after the patch last week because people were sniffing at unseen items and linking them) they added a TON of dummy items to their database.

But yeah, this is diffinently from PoTime, because we have all been slaying mobs their since 1999 and this weapon in particular drops off the yard trash. There is also a war/rng/pal/shd sword, brd/rog piercer with the same stats...

[Zurren]

Just wonderng, why should melee damage be bought upto caster level? other then the dmg-oriented melee class's (monks, rogues), I dont see any reason why a warrior, paladin or sk should be comming upto wizard/mage damage in groups or on raids. Their role is to hold aggro and take damage, not dish it out.

[Cybsled]

Lets see...this weapon will probably drop in plane of time. Plane of Time is the end of this expansion. It's completely fitting.

You know why this item is shocking? BECAUSE it looks like VI actually itemized an endgame zone with GOOD STUFF. Vp, NToV, and VT all had sux0r items at first. Maybe they wised up. Too bad the rest of POP didnt follow suit