Serverfilters and Verant's "EverChanging" Game

Pokn · 01-15-2003, 06:48 AM

I really like how Verant just sort of stumbles onto "OMG we just discovered serverfilters are broken."

I can still tell you which patch this occured on. It was the patch in which CH was "broken." Their "fix" was simply that they made it so you could not filter out any effects that land on you... thus further breaking serverfilters.

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Unfortunately, one side effect of these changes is a problem that didn't show up in the small test server community, and is only highly prevalent on the live servers; Periodic movement and health updates are nowhere near as reliable as they should be.

You know what? READ YOUR FUCKING /BUG REPORTS! You have some seriously buggy coding in EQ with how multiple effect AEs work and how some portions of the AE are completely unresistable even when you get a resist message. At a time using serverfilters was a "fix" for players. When the CH bug was introduced (late in SOV) was the first time when serverfilters stopped working.

I guess they have been broken so long it's really not a big deal, but the thing is... EQ prides itself on being an evechanging game. I just find it funny that we have had 2 and are possibly going into our 3rd expansion (LoY) with serverfilters still broken. Some evechanging game.

Also in that vein... it also proves that issues that adversely effect the players are put on the backburner (for years even). None of this is news to any of us that have played EQ since inception, but I write this simply to point out that nothing has truly changed. PoP was a shiny new toy, with the same lack of forethought and planning as all other expansions (actually SoV is probably the most impressive expansion to date), backed by the same "people" who have no idea how their game works on ANY level (RP, Gameplay, or otherwise).

I guess, I wish they'd just call it how it was. I'd love to see an honest statement like "Yeah, we've been total dumbfucks on this serverfilter issue. I, personally just discovered this the other day and then checked our /bug and /feedback reports and discovered that there was YEARS of backlogged comments on this issue. OMG, I just finally realized it was here. I am such a champion! I'll save you all! We still have no clue how this happens, but from my personal experience and my huge playtime of 1 hour every 78 days I can deifinatively say that there is something wrong with serverfilters!!!"

And while I'm at it... "Yeah, we should have just bought out EQWindows, but being the total dumbfucks we are, we decided to implement something 100 times more complex that doesn't work 1/2 as well. You guys all like patches to fix issues EQWindows had solved 3+ years ago right?"

Ming · 01-15-2003, 07:32 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read recently that the option buttons on the new UI were serverside, thus replacing the functionality of serverfilter.

Lenardo · 01-15-2003, 07:49 AM

that is how i read it ming

Eisai · 01-15-2003, 07:49 AM

Ming..

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Their "fix" was simply that they made it so you could not filter out any effects that land on you

Means that things that hit you cannot be filtered so you are still effected by things you resist.. IE its broken.. yes it has been broken for a long time.. Shouldnt have had to turn filters on to resist things to begin with... I dont know about the rest of you but I voted for bug fixes last poll not a new expansion and surely not a low end twink parade expansion.. yay more halfwits giving up their AA points to flip cast.. thanks VI.. hope we don't lose too many decent power gamers to the fagloks..

BirgittePovar · 01-15-2003, 08:35 AM

If you can't see why it'd be slightly more complex for Verant to release a EQWindows than for a 3rd party to do it, then you need to stop commenting on code, period.

3rd party doesn't care about security. That alone should make you see the light, assuming you aren't one of those people who honestly believe that 3 monkeys in a room for 10 minutes can fix any coding issue.

Aeka · 01-15-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by BirgittePovar
If you can't see why it'd be slightly more complex for Verant to release a EQWindows than for a 3rd party to do it, then you need to stop commenting on code, period.

3rd party doesn't care about security. That alone should make you see the light, assuming you aren't one of those people who honestly believe that 3 monkeys in a room for 10 minutes can fix any coding issue.

You are so wrong! Everyone who thinks like this knows it takes three monkeys and an intern to make any sweeping fundemental system change! ^_^

Stomp · 01-15-2003, 09:57 AM

Sorry my death message was cut off, but tada, heal bug is back and claimed me last night.....

Andaas · 01-15-2003, 10:04 AM

Heal bug was never completely gone, I've seen it happen a few times since the "fix". It is just much rarer, as the hitpoint updates between server and client aren't as sloppy as they were back when the heal bug was prominent.

Kneesmasher · 01-15-2003, 10:12 AM

I voted for bug fixes too...but bug fixes don't make $$$'s like new expansions do. Never EVER forget it's all about the $$$'s!

That's why there's a new expansion. They have thrown in 2 new bank slots and Frogloks for everyone to twink and power level as enticement to coax $20 out of your wallet and mine. Want a Froglok? You gotta FROOOOAAAKKK over 20 bucks! Want 2 new bank slots? 20 bucks! New spells and gear? You know the story...

Fix bugs? Are you kidding? Can't charge for that.

Furor Planedefiler · 01-15-2003, 01:04 PM

The green dollar sign and text is TOTALLY sweet. Good work!

Theramor Laeroth · 01-15-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Furor Planedefiler
The green dollar sign and text is TOTALLY sweet. Good work!

Good to know its the simple things in life that can still impress Furor.......

T

shamlove · 01-15-2003, 02:11 PM

Pokn do you still play anymore?

Wish they would finish PoP/SoL before releasing a half ass "mid expansion" expansion.

Next you can buy a new zone every month!

Just pay 5 usd for this new zone called CH-CHING! You will now get to color your penis green with it! and if you act now, you will get the servermove to asian server with all your gear PLUS PICK ANY ITEM of your choice and we here at VI will just add it on!

/vi FUCK YOU = )

Iannis · 01-15-2003, 02:44 PM

FYI, /bug and /feedback haven't been read since beta. They are all copied into an enormous folder somewhere, printed out, and shredded. It requires 18 "Game Master" positions to do this duty daily.

Shimmerin · 01-15-2003, 03:28 PM

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Just pay 5 usd for this new zone called CH-CHING! You will now get to color your penis green with it! and if you act now, you will get the servermove to asian server with all your gear PLUS PICK ANY ITEM of your choice and we here at VI will just add it on!

/vi FUCK YOU = )

I think George Carlin said it best. "Whoever coined the term let the buyer beware, was probably bleeding from the asshole."

Hey VI can you at least use LUBE next time?

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Lenardo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,279 -5 Internets	. that is how i read it ming

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01-15-2003, 07:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ming Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Denver Posts: 150 -1 Internets	Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read recently that the option buttons on the new UI were serverside, thus replacing the functionality of serverfilter.

01-15-2003, 08:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
BirgittePovar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 692 -1 Internets	If you can't see why it'd be slightly more complex for Verant to release a EQWindows than for a 3rd party to do it, then you need to stop commenting on code, period. 3rd party doesn't care about security. That alone should make you see the light, assuming you aren't one of those people who honestly believe that 3 monkeys in a room for 10 minutes can fix any coding issue.

01-15-2003, 10:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Andaas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21 -1 Internets	Heal bug was never completely gone, I've seen it happen a few times since the "fix". It is just much rarer, as the hitpoint updates between server and client aren't as sloppy as they were back when the heal bug was prominent.

01-15-2003, 10:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kneesmasher Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 64 -1 Internets	I voted for bug fixes too...but bug fixes don't make $$$'s like new expansions do. Never EVER forget it's all about the $$$'s! That's why there's a new expansion. They have thrown in 2 new bank slots and Frogloks for everyone to twink and power level as enticement to coax $20 out of your wallet and mine. Want a Froglok? You gotta FROOOOAAAKKK over 20 bucks! Want 2 new bank slots? 20 bucks! New spells and gear? You know the story... Fix bugs? Are you kidding? Can't charge for that.

01-15-2003, 02:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
shamlove Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: n/a Posts: 39 -1 Internets	Pokn do you still play anymore? Wish they would finish PoP/SoL before releasing a half ass "mid expansion" expansion. Next you can buy a new zone every month! Just pay 5 usd for this new zone called CH-CHING! You will now get to color your penis green with it! and if you act now, you will get the servermove to asian server with all your gear PLUS PICK ANY ITEM of your choice and we here at VI will just add it on! /vi FUCK YOU = )

01-15-2003, 02:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
Iannis Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Butt Hugging Moose Jockey Posts: 4,968 +0 Internets	FYI, /bug and /feedback haven't been read since beta. They are all copied into an enormous folder somewhere, printed out, and shredded. It requires 18 "Game Master" positions to do this duty daily.