No instant recast spells anymore?

Lanfeare · 01-14-2003, 04:26 AM

Looks like on test they are removing all the 0.0 recast spells and making them all 2.2 minimum.

This is the cleric undead dd which used to be 0.0 but now retuned to 2.2

http://lucy.fnord.net/spellhistory.h...28&source=Test

872 spells were changed on the 14/01/03 so it looks like every class affected.

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Thanatosis · 01-14-2003, 04:36 AM

That makes my draughts not quite as nice as they used to be...

Concrete · 01-14-2003, 04:49 AM

Does that mean you can no longer click an item (jboots indoors) to refresh spell gems instantly? Haven't played a caster in over a year.

Tetrian · 01-14-2003, 04:50 AM

Aye Kathic, thats what it means.

Vikki · 01-14-2003, 11:07 AM

No spells are "instant recast" anyways, spell gem refreshing takes like 2.5 (or maybe it's 2.2) seconds, so you're not really losing anything major. My guess is they're doing it to get rid of the "Spell recovery time not yet met." message.

Mosiah Manaforger · 01-14-2003, 11:16 AM

CH also is affected by this...

Talenvor · 01-14-2003, 12:43 PM

/nod. Vikki is correct. That "spell recovery time not yet met" was so annoying too.

Lin · 01-14-2003, 01:06 PM

No spells are "instant recast" anyways, spell gem refreshing takes like 2.5 (or maybe it's 2.2) seconds, so you're not really losing anything major. My guess is they're doing it to get rid of the "Spell recovery time not yet met." message.

No, recast has nothing to do with spell recovery time. Spell recovery time comes about because you managed to finish casting a spell less than 3.5 seconds after you finished casting another spell. All a 2.2 recast means is that any spell with a 1.3 or less cast time can still give the spell recovery time message.

This is a nerf on people that use instaclickes to chain spells, you know, things like Complete Heal, Nature's Infusion, Velium Strike, Draught of E'ci etc. Unless they back this SPDat change up with further coding it won't effect instaclickying different spells, like "Torrent of Poison, clicky, Tears of Saryn, clicky, Velium Strike, clicky, etc." but will mean your cleric won't be able to start a second CH 0.5 seconds after finishing the first..., for good clerics, druids etc. who (ab)used instaclickies they could cut 1.7 seconds off recasting things like CH or chaining bigger heals like Tnarg's or Nature's Infusion. Now if I have to memorize Nature's Touch because I can't instaclicky Nature's Infusion I think I'm gong to puke, that pile of shit spell should never have existed in such a gimp ass form and if I have to cast it at 65, someone at SOE is doing something spectacularly fucking wrong.

Sindaael · 01-14-2003, 01:32 PM

I never use instant clicks to chain cast anyways.

Hurk · 01-14-2003, 09:02 PM

its to stop the instant click cheat. yes, its a cheat. its the spells they added a fizzle time to i havent figured out yet. I think their intent is that fizzle time be a delay after the bar resets, but in practice, thats not how it works.

this is one of the reasons druid dps is so gross... their recast delay is absorbed by the reset delay.

oh did anyone else notice the fuckup on bard mana cost? they were testing the bard charm with a mana cost of 160 (from 90), when they changed it back, its set at mana cost 9... wonder if it will be missed and go live?

Jimmy Carter wuwu · 01-14-2003, 09:25 PM

So does this mean Manastone will be Nerfed?

Liz · 01-14-2003, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lin
chaining bigger heals like Tnarg's or Nature's Infusion.

I can think of a hand full of mobs you can chain NI on w/out getting major heal aggro, except in the case of a charmed pet being present, which I'm not factoring in b/c it isn't the norm for many situations. TR and/or KR no problem, but in which scenarios are you chaining NI w/out being deaggro'd to avoid heal aggro?

PoW comes to mind as a particularly nasty place to chain NI.

Tilien · 01-15-2003, 01:58 AM

I'm still trying to figure out why he would bother loading a 1k heal instead of a 2k heal cause he can't insta clicky NI anymore.

That's like whining that because you can't speed in a school zone anymore your not going to drive your Vette, but a gimp ass Yugo instead.

Lin · 01-15-2003, 03:20 AM

I'm still trying to figure out why he would bother loading a 1k heal instead of a 2k heal cause he can't insta clicky NI anymore.

You load BOTH. Instead of stareing at your greyed out gems like a drooling idiot while the tank gets assraped you instaclicky and cast Nature's Touch while Nature's Infusion is refreshing. However it sounds like ALL gems will be greyed out, not just the recently cast spell, so it's moot.

this is one of the reasons druid dps is so gross... their recast delay is absorbed by the reset delay.

Um... no, but thank you for playing. Druids had recast delays added to their nukes back when Moonfire got fixed and is very similar to the recast delay clerics have always had, only shorter. When a druid instaclicked they had to use 2 seperate nukes because of recast delay and so suffered a DPS penalty for using a second inferior nuke.

Instaclicking increased ALL classes DPS significantly, including clerics and most importantly wizards who had their draught DPS increased by something like 50% with clickies and without the recast delay on their nukes they didn't need to use nuke pairs like druids and clerics but could chain 1 nuke if they wanted.

With ALL gems being greyed out now the wizard elemental pants just went from being greatly useful to being must-have with this change as you have nothing else to do while your stupid gems refresh other than cyber with Absor or click something, and what a thing to click; pants.

01-14-2003, 04:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lanfeare Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 30 -1 Internets	No instant recast spells anymore? Looks like on test they are removing all the 0.0 recast spells and making them all 2.2 minimum. This is the cleric undead dd which used to be 0.0 but now retuned to 2.2 http://lucy.fnord.net/spellhistory.h...28&source=Test 872 spells were changed on the 14/01/03 so it looks like every class affected. Lanfeare Township Rebellion www.townrebels.org

01-14-2003, 04:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Thanatosis Damn I'm bored. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 35 -1 Internets	grrr That makes my draughts not quite as nice as they used to be...

01-14-2003, 04:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
Concrete Roaming the planet in search of intelligence Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 351 -1 Internets	Does that mean you can no longer click an item (jboots indoors) to refresh spell gems instantly? Haven't played a caster in over a year. __________________

01-14-2003, 09:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jimmy Carter wuwu Bring the pain Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 791 -5 Internets	So does this mean Manastone will be Nerfed? __________________ Listen to the band skindred. www.skindred.com

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01-14-2003, 04:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
Tetrian Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 56 -1 Internets	Aye Kathic, thats what it means.

01-14-2003, 11:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
Vikki Vikki Scores a critical hit!(121) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 105 -1 Internets	No spells are "instant recast" anyways, spell gem refreshing takes like 2.5 (or maybe it's 2.2) seconds, so you're not really losing anything major. My guess is they're doing it to get rid of the "Spell recovery time not yet met." message.

01-14-2003, 11:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mosiah Manaforger Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 9 -1 Internets	CH also is affected by this...

01-14-2003, 12:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Talenvor Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 293 +1 Internets	/nod. Vikki is correct. That "spell recovery time not yet met" was so annoying too.

01-14-2003, 01:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 879 +0 Internets	No spells are "instant recast" anyways, spell gem refreshing takes like 2.5 (or maybe it's 2.2) seconds, so you're not really losing anything major. My guess is they're doing it to get rid of the "Spell recovery time not yet met." message. No, recast has nothing to do with spell recovery time. Spell recovery time comes about because you managed to finish casting a spell less than 3.5 seconds after you finished casting another spell. All a 2.2 recast means is that any spell with a 1.3 or less cast time can still give the spell recovery time message. This is a nerf on people that use instaclickes to chain spells, you know, things like Complete Heal, Nature's Infusion, Velium Strike, Draught of E'ci etc. Unless they back this SPDat change up with further coding it won't effect instaclickying different spells, like "Torrent of Poison, clicky, Tears of Saryn, clicky, Velium Strike, clicky, etc." but will mean your cleric won't be able to start a second CH 0.5 seconds after finishing the first..., for good clerics, druids etc. who (ab)used instaclickies they could cut 1.7 seconds off recasting things like CH or chaining bigger heals like Tnarg's or Nature's Infusion. Now if I have to memorize Nature's Touch because I can't instaclicky Nature's Infusion I think I'm gong to puke, that pile of shit spell should never have existed in such a gimp ass form and if I have to cast it at 65, someone at SOE is doing something spectacularly fucking wrong.

01-14-2003, 01:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Sindaael Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 93 -1 Internets	I never use instant clicks to chain cast anyways.

01-14-2003, 09:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hurk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 64 -1 Internets	its to stop the instant click cheat. yes, its a cheat. its the spells they added a fizzle time to i havent figured out yet. I think their intent is that fizzle time be a delay after the bar resets, but in practice, thats not how it works. this is one of the reasons druid dps is so gross... their recast delay is absorbed by the reset delay. oh did anyone else notice the fuckup on bard mana cost? they were testing the bard charm with a mana cost of 160 (from 90), when they changed it back, its set at mana cost 9... wonder if it will be missed and go live?

01-15-2003, 01:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tilien Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 241 -1 Internets	I'm still trying to figure out why he would bother loading a 1k heal instead of a 2k heal cause he can't insta clicky NI anymore. That's like whining that because you can't speed in a school zone anymore your not going to drive your Vette, but a gimp ass Yugo instead.

01-15-2003, 03:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
Lin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 879 +0 Internets	I'm still trying to figure out why he would bother loading a 1k heal instead of a 2k heal cause he can't insta clicky NI anymore. You load BOTH. Instead of stareing at your greyed out gems like a drooling idiot while the tank gets assraped you instaclicky and cast Nature's Touch while Nature's Infusion is refreshing. However it sounds like ALL gems will be greyed out, not just the recently cast spell, so it's moot. this is one of the reasons druid dps is so gross... their recast delay is absorbed by the reset delay. Um... no, but thank you for playing. Druids had recast delays added to their nukes back when Moonfire got fixed and is very similar to the recast delay clerics have always had, only shorter. When a druid instaclicked they had to use 2 seperate nukes because of recast delay and so suffered a DPS penalty for using a second inferior nuke. Instaclicking increased ALL classes DPS significantly, including clerics and most importantly wizards who had their draught DPS increased by something like 50% with clickies and without the recast delay on their nukes they didn't need to use nuke pairs like druids and clerics but could chain 1 nuke if they wanted. With ALL gems being greyed out now the wizard elemental pants just went from being greatly useful to being must-have with this change as you have nothing else to do while your stupid gems refresh other than cyber with Absor or click something, and what a thing to click; pants.