OK I'm a dumbass have a question

Synica · 01-14-2003, 01:17 AM

Haveing a prob hit 60 not long ago and starting up on the whole (need to have saves and hp cause I'm a Ranger shtick). Problem is this I cant seem to get a straight forward answer on what Save vs. Magic is for. I get the others but Magic is a lill' off. Is it a default for spell lines that dont fall under normal cold,fire,dis lines or what? Should I try to get it up before more specifide saves or does it have a completly different use all together. ATM in mostly pre VT/SSRA gear, would post magelo but my link isnt working. Thanks for the one none bash reply I might get lucky and get.

ThatGuyThatIAm · 01-14-2003, 01:24 AM

Spells save versus certain, well, saves. An example:

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Caustic Mist
Classes:
None
Description:
2: Decrease Hitpoints by 500 per tick

Details: Raw spell data
Spell Type: Detrimental
Skill: Innate
Mana: 0 Target
Type: PB AE
Casting Time:
Instant Duration: 1 ticks @L1 to 4 ticks @L8
Recast Time: 24
Resist: Disease (-300)
Fizzle Time: 0.00
Range to target: 0
AE Radius: 60
Interruptable: Yes
Location: Any
Time of Day: Any

Messages:
Other cast: Soandso spits a glowing mist.
Cast on you: Your skin begins to rot.
Cast on other: Soandso 's flesh begins to liquefy.
Effect Fades: Your skin regains its solidity.

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For this spell you'd want high (VERY high) disease resists to save versus the spell (resist it). Same goes for magic, but in the spell data, it'd have Resist: Magic ( xxx ). High MR is helpful when fighting, for example, Aerin Dar with his nasty AoE.

Frelance · 01-14-2003, 02:32 AM

HP > resists...

um, HP > ac...

HP > stats...

HP > looks...

HP > yo mamma...

right, I think that just about covers it

You MIGHT choose some resist gear in specific fights, but on the whole that entire concept went out the window in late Velious. Resists go up overall as gear improves, and you don't want to wear much -sv gear, but other than that, you get far more mileage from developing your hp than anything else, armor-wise.

Lin · 01-14-2003, 02:48 AM

HP > resists...

Running around 340 resist in BoT, fucking giants throwing Monsoon. HIT! HIT! HIT! FUCK YOU! Check Graffe's for how unhappy wizards are on their LURE rain spell, and here a gimp no resist adjust rain spell is hitting me, who is red con to these fucking giants, every wave. Gear is a) HP, b) STA, c) effect, d) mana, e) who cares.

Concrete · 01-14-2003, 03:38 AM

You might encounter mobs that have special abilities like charm, slow or whatnot, which you might assume is save vs. MR or DR etc. But once you discover the ever-useful lucy.fnord.net site, you might find yourself assuming it is the wrong resist for that particular mob (cursed charm is DR, and not MR for example).

I guess it stems from the pre-Velious era where fear and charm was almost (?) always MR, and you basically knew what type of resist gear to bring to the encounter.

Immortalis · 01-14-2003, 10:56 PM

while ppl are askin stupid questions... I got one of my own.

The thought came up tonight on whether or not active (or even not active if it had to open a log and calculate... may not be real time but could still be usefull) DPS per fight could be displayed in a UI....

any thoughts?

(edit - its late and I cant spell for shit)

Qalar-Drinal · 01-14-2003, 11:25 PM

Depends on the situation as always, resists that is.

Synica · 01-15-2003, 01:52 AM

Ok HP is all there is to it I can handle that.
Thanks

Caleal · 01-15-2003, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Immortalis
while ppl are askin stupid questions... I got one of my own.

The thought came up tonight on whether or not active (or even not active if it had to open a log and calculate... may not be real time but could still be usefull) DPS per fight could be displayed in a UI....

any thoughts?

(edit - its late and I cant spell for shit)

Its not possible to display that in a UI.

You could play EQ windowed and run a real time log parser in the background though...

01-14-2003, 01:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Synica Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8 -1 Internets	OK I'm a dumbass have a question Haveing a prob hit 60 not long ago and starting up on the whole (need to have saves and hp cause I'm a Ranger shtick). Problem is this I cant seem to get a straight forward answer on what Save vs. Magic is for. I get the others but Magic is a lill' off. Is it a default for spell lines that dont fall under normal cold,fire,dis lines or what? Should I try to get it up before more specifide saves or does it have a completly different use all together. ATM in mostly pre VT/SSRA gear, would post magelo but my link isnt working. Thanks for the one none bash reply I might get lucky and get.

01-14-2003, 01:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
ThatGuyThatIAm That Guy That You Wish You Were Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 63 -1 Internets	Spells save versus certain, well, saves. An example: ---- Caustic Mist Classes: None Description: 2: Decrease Hitpoints by 500 per tick Details: Raw spell data Spell Type: Detrimental Skill: Innate Mana: 0 Target Type: PB AE Casting Time: Instant Duration: 1 ticks @L1 to 4 ticks @L8 Recast Time: 24 Resist: Disease (-300) Fizzle Time: 0.00 Range to target: 0 AE Radius: 60 Interruptable: Yes Location: Any Time of Day: Any Messages: Other cast: Soandso spits a glowing mist. Cast on you: Your skin begins to rot. Cast on other: Soandso 's flesh begins to liquefy. Effect Fades: Your skin regains its solidity. ---- For this spell you'd want high (VERY high) disease resists to save versus the spell (resist it). Same goes for magic, but in the spell data, it'd have Resist: Magic ( xxx ). High MR is helpful when fighting, for example, Aerin Dar with his nasty AoE. __________________ "Hey, you're that guy that you are!" Last edited by ThatGuyThatIAm : 01-14-2003 at 01:26 AM.

01-14-2003, 02:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
Frelance Smartguy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 156 -1 Internets	HP > resists... um, HP > ac... HP > stats... HP > looks... HP > yo mamma... right, I think that just about covers it You MIGHT choose some resist gear in specific fights, but on the whole that entire concept went out the window in late Velious. Resists go up overall as gear improves, and you don't want to wear much -sv gear, but other than that, you get far more mileage from developing your hp than anything else, armor-wise. __________________ Frelance Brohg

01-14-2003, 10:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Immortalis Dark Elven Prophet Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 67 -1 Internets	while were answering stupid questions... while ppl are askin stupid questions... I got one of my own. The thought came up tonight on whether or not active (or even not active if it had to open a log and calculate... may not be real time but could still be usefull) DPS per fight could be displayed in a UI.... any thoughts? (edit - its late and I cant spell for shit) __________________ Immortalis the Dark Elven Overlord of Eternal Wrath Ayonae`Ro Last edited by Immortalis : 01-15-2003 at 02:50 AM.

01-15-2003, 01:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Synica Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8 -1 Internets	HP Ok HP is all there is to it I can handle that. Thanks

01-14-2003, 02:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 879 +0 Internets	HP > resists... Running around 340 resist in BoT, fucking giants throwing Monsoon. HIT! HIT! HIT! FUCK YOU! Check Graffe's for how unhappy wizards are on their LURE rain spell, and here a gimp no resist adjust rain spell is hitting me, who is red con to these fucking giants, every wave. Gear is a) HP, b) STA, c) effect, d) mana, e) who cares.

01-14-2003, 03:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
Concrete Roaming the planet in search of intelligence Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 351 -1 Internets	You might encounter mobs that have special abilities like charm, slow or whatnot, which you might assume is save vs. MR or DR etc. But once you discover the ever-useful lucy.fnord.net site, you might find yourself assuming it is the wrong resist for that particular mob (cursed charm is DR, and not MR for example). I guess it stems from the pre-Velious era where fear and charm was almost (?) always MR, and you basically knew what type of resist gear to bring to the encounter.

01-14-2003, 11:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Qalar-Drinal Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pullman WA Posts: 348 -4 Internets	Depends on the situation as always, resists that is.

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