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I R Insane · 01-14-2003, 11:09 AM

Been down there with a full raid all the way to the bottom. No one has complained of Framerate problems. So, next you're gonna tell me this one server must be buggy if we're not having the same problem?

Seriously, worst problems in PoW would be the wall porting and the occasional bug. Maybe there's a reason your having probs. I'm on an Athlon 1400 with a GeForce3 and don't have this framerate problem.

Take a SS..maybe there's a reason?

I R Insane

Frozboz · 01-14-2003, 11:17 AM

It's odd how some people are saying they have zero lag, while others say it's horrible. Makes you wonder what the cause of the problem is.. I know every single person in FoH has at least some problems with framerate deep in that zone. It's interesting too, as Jaytee noted, a few times all the people would disappear for a few seconds (I thought I took a wrong turn or was going LD - neither was the case), then the lag would clear up 100%, and then they would all reappear along with the lag. Very odd indeed.

Furor tells the guild, "WHY ARE YOU GOING PAST ME? AM I INVISIBLE?"

crafdising · 01-14-2003, 11:27 AM

i know its an obvious suggestion and im not trying to insult anyone by suggesting it, but what the hell. make sure datarate is set to 9 rather than the default of 6. took me 2 years to hear of that. never had a problem with framerates again.

Dregor Thule · 01-14-2003, 11:41 AM

I don't think datarate should control FPS at all. That's for throughput of data, accounting for lag in game with things such as spell casting.

Strikan · 01-14-2003, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Lefazz

Stupid dumb ass, dual processor platforms have no affect on EverQuest. Applications must be written to take advance of two processors. So basically you are running EQ on a single Athlon 1600 which, by the way, sucks.

And Furor, you have Luclin models on. That right there will make your framerate turn to crap oh and it also has the nasty effect of making your character look and animate like a retard.

Turn that shit off.

Obviously you think you know alot more about computers than you really do.

Dual processors helps with ANY applications, just not nearly as much as if the application was written for dual processors.

You know all those API calls that EQ makes to the OS? And all the operating system threads that manage memory, process scheduling etc? those threads need a CPU to run on also.

The 20-30% second cpu usage was OS level thread execution in response to EQ's system resource usage. This leaves the other processor mainly free to process EQ related stuff.

So STFUp fucking moron.

Dregor Thule · 01-14-2003, 11:48 AM

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So STFUp fucking moron.

I gotta ask, Strikan... why spell out Up! hehe

Strikan · 01-14-2003, 11:51 AM

dunno dregor, for some reason that's how i typed it lol

crafdising · 01-14-2003, 11:52 AM

ya i dont think it should either but to my dismay on a 10th ring war which i previously and honestly had about 2 fps, i logged back in to a completely smooth game. but ya you are correct that it did solve my spell casting problems which was the main reason i changed it.

Lefazz · 01-14-2003, 12:10 PM

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The 20-30% second cpu usage was OS level thread execution in response to EQ's system resource usage. This leaves the other processor mainly free to process EQ related stuff.

Okay, fuck face. Tell you what. Run 3DMark on a Dual processor system and on a single processor setup. I'll make sure and use a large point bolded font when I reply back with "Told you so"

Oh, and by the way:

http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboar...athlon-05.html

yeah, wow, 20%-30% increase huh? Obviously you think you know alot more about computers than you really do.

Averagemonkey · 01-14-2003, 12:22 PM

Benchmarks are soooooo irrelevant to actual performance, unless properly designed. Only someone with no actual knowledge of engineering would cite benchmarks to back up their statements.

I don't see what the Tom's Hardware link is supposed to tell us either, other than that dual processors work better in some applications than others.

And all of it is irrelevant to the particular matter at hand, which is that PoWater sucks for reasons completely unrelated to processor speed, network performance, video card performance, or phallus size of the player. It may be related to the clip plane or how good a hair day someone at SOE is having, but either way, it sucks. Fix what is now a nearly unplayable zone, please.

Amidgit · 01-14-2003, 12:25 PM

hmmm... I am one of those crazy kids that have been everywhere in the zone with a full raid and no FPS issues.

I have a p4 2.25 , 512mb , XP, Geforce3.

UseUmbra=True

I have Umbra turned on in the eqclient.ini which if I remember correctly is the new engine code they implmented with luclin to "help" the client not draw polys that are not in your field of vision. I also remember a thread somewhere mentioning that umbra never worked to well on amd processors.

So, is anyone with a p4 and umbra on having these fps issues?

Sounds to me that it could be an amd issue, umbra issue or both combined.

Eomer · 01-14-2003, 12:48 PM

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yeah, wow, 20%-30% increase huh? Obviously you think you know alot more about computers than you really do.

He never said he got a 20-30% increase. He said that his second CPU was at about 20-30% utilization from the OS etc, while the main CPU was doing EQ.

Also, my cock is larger than yours, so nyea.

Oh, and about Umbra, I don't think it ever worked, or if it did, it didn't do a fucking thing. Either that or maybe there is a problem with it and AMD proc's (that's what I run). How do I know that? Ssra of course! If Umbra really was doing something to remove unseen geometry, Ssra should have had silky smooth frame rates for the most part. However the only time that I ever found frame rates to be halfway decent was when I was staring at a wall on the zone edge. Otherwise if I was staring at a wall facing into the zone, the frame rate would still be shitty, cause all the shit behind it within the clip plane was still being drawn.

So either Umbra doesn't work period, or it's buggy as shit.

Strikan · 01-14-2003, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lefazz

Okay, fuck face. Tell you what. Run 3DMark on a Dual processor system and on a single processor setup. I'll make sure and use a large point bolded font when I reply back with "Told you so"

Oh, and by the way:

http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboar...athlon-05.html

yeah, wow, 20%-30% increase huh? Obviously you think you know alot more about computers than you really do.

Ok it appears i need to also give reading lessons for this illiterate person.

I said the 20%-30% cpu usage was OS level threads, I did not say it gave a 20-30% improvement to speed.

Second of all I'm not using either of those boards, so don't point me to some stupid single app tomshardware guide stats that don't mean dick for my system.

Also I'm using windows XP professional, not windows 2000.

How about you get SOE to implement a FPS counter in game and then I can reboot using single cpu and compare to dual CPU, that's about the only fucking way you can have ANY input into this topic. Since I HAVE the system and know how it performs.

bitch and whine all you want about how you know everything and how dual cpu sucks. But I get ZERO lag with all settings maxed running in 1024x768 and get what seems like 40-60FPS + in 60+ person raids.

This is the only zone I've EVER encountered that absolutely killed my framerate.

So go back to hunting dervs and pulling on your pecker.

Sean · 01-14-2003, 01:35 PM

P4 1.7, 1 gig of Ram, GeForce 3 - my FPS is pure shit down there and I only have 3 models on. You people who are saying you've had zero problems with framerate deep in the zone are FULL OF SHIT. Our ENTIRE guild has Framerate problems in that piece of shit zone and some of those people have computers almost twice as good as mine is.

The zone is a piece of crap. Almost all zones are pieces of crap. Whoever builds the zones is a no-talent-assclown who needs to learn a few things. For how EQ looks, the piece of shit shouldn't be having any problems on my computer, and the fact that people with GF4's and Raedon 9700s are having problem is absolutely ridiculous. Clean up your god damned antiquated code and learn how to build zones that don't make computers grind to a halt.

I R Insane · 01-14-2003, 01:51 PM

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You people who are saying you've had zero problems with framerate deep in the zone are FULL OF SHIT.

Stop talking out your ass.. I have no reason to lie. Come here to try and pt out that it's not everyone and you get all pissy. My whole guild doesn't have the problems you guys are claiming. My PC is lower caliber than yours Sean and I have no problems.

The more ppl that post having no problems while you sit there bitching and moaning the less credible you become. Check your buffs and all sorts of other shit before you come calling everyone liars. Obviously there's a difference that's not hardware or server related. Coding you say? Hmmm? Since I'm not having the framerate problem maybe you're full of shit? Nah, there is a problem, on your end.

Back to the pt. It's not system related. So what else haven't you checked?

I R

01-14-2003, 11:51 AM	#37 (permalink)
Strikan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 14 -1 Internets	no idea dregor dunno dregor, for some reason that's how i typed it lol __________________ Gratzer Feen < Fires of Heaven > 65 Feral Lord

01-14-2003, 12:25 PM	#41 (permalink)
Amidgit Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2 +0 Internets	hmmm... I am one of those crazy kids that have been everywhere in the zone with a full raid and no FPS issues. I have a p4 2.25 , 512mb , XP, Geforce3. UseUmbra=True I have Umbra turned on in the eqclient.ini which if I remember correctly is the new engine code they implmented with luclin to "help" the client not draw polys that are not in your field of vision. I also remember a thread somewhere mentioning that umbra never worked to well on amd processors. So, is anyone with a p4 and umbra on having these fps issues? Sounds to me that it could be an amd issue, umbra issue or both combined. __________________ Amidgit Stubtoe Eternal Wrath - Ayonae Ro Last edited by Amidgit : 01-14-2003 at 12:55 PM.

01-14-2003, 01:35 PM	#44 (permalink)
Sean Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 5,193 +17 Internets	P4 1.7, 1 gig of Ram, GeForce 3 - my FPS is pure shit down there and I only have 3 models on. You people who are saying you've had zero problems with framerate deep in the zone are FULL OF SHIT. Our ENTIRE guild has Framerate problems in that piece of shit zone and some of those people have computers almost twice as good as mine is. The zone is a piece of crap. Almost all zones are pieces of crap. Whoever builds the zones is a no-talent-assclown who needs to learn a few things. For how EQ looks, the piece of shit shouldn't be having any problems on my computer, and the fact that people with GF4's and Raedon 9700s are having problem is absolutely ridiculous. Clean up your god damned antiquated code and learn how to build zones that don't make computers grind to a halt. __________________

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01-14-2003, 11:09 AM	#31 (permalink)
I R Insane Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 30 -1 Internets	Been down there with a full raid all the way to the bottom. No one has complained of Framerate problems. So, next you're gonna tell me this one server must be buggy if we're not having the same problem? Seriously, worst problems in PoW would be the wall porting and the occasional bug. Maybe there's a reason your having probs. I'm on an Athlon 1400 with a GeForce3 and don't have this framerate problem. Take a SS..maybe there's a reason? I R Insane

01-14-2003, 11:17 AM	#32 (permalink)
Frozboz Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 38 +0 Internets	It's odd how some people are saying they have zero lag, while others say it's horrible. Makes you wonder what the cause of the problem is.. I know every single person in FoH has at least some problems with framerate deep in that zone. It's interesting too, as Jaytee noted, a few times all the people would disappear for a few seconds (I thought I took a wrong turn or was going LD - neither was the case), then the lag would clear up 100%, and then they would all reappear along with the lag. Very odd indeed. Furor tells the guild, "WHY ARE YOU GOING PAST ME? AM I INVISIBLE?"

01-14-2003, 11:27 AM	#33 (permalink)
crafdising Maddox rules. Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 45 -1 Internets	i know its an obvious suggestion and im not trying to insult anyone by suggesting it, but what the hell. make sure datarate is set to 9 rather than the default of 6. took me 2 years to hear of that. never had a problem with framerates again.

01-14-2003, 11:41 AM	#34 (permalink)
Dregor Thule Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 28 -1 Internets	I don't think datarate should control FPS at all. That's for throughput of data, accounting for lag in game with things such as spell casting.

01-14-2003, 11:52 AM	#38 (permalink)
crafdising Maddox rules. Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 45 -1 Internets	ya i dont think it should either but to my dismay on a 10th ring war which i previously and honestly had about 2 fps, i logged back in to a completely smooth game. but ya you are correct that it did solve my spell casting problems which was the main reason i changed it.

01-14-2003, 12:22 PM	#40 (permalink)
Averagemonkey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 12 -1 Internets	Benchmarks are soooooo irrelevant to actual performance, unless properly designed. Only someone with no actual knowledge of engineering would cite benchmarks to back up their statements. I don't see what the Tom's Hardware link is supposed to tell us either, other than that dual processors work better in some applications than others. And all of it is irrelevant to the particular matter at hand, which is that PoWater sucks for reasons completely unrelated to processor speed, network performance, video card performance, or phallus size of the player. It may be related to the clip plane or how good a hair day someone at SOE is having, but either way, it sucks. Fix what is now a nearly unplayable zone, please.