Item curiousity... - Page 2

SalTheBard · 01-13-2003, 01:18 PM

That being said what about the dmg/dly for so many castor weapons now. 60/40 and such thats fuckin unreal yet Knights get fucked up 2h slashers. If they really want Knights to use 2 handers they need to make it worth the while.

Ainmer · 01-13-2003, 02:04 PM

A normal 400 DD proc weapon should do considerably less damage than a Hammer of Damnation, unless the proc rate on the weapon was incredible like the cleric hammer. I doubt this since Shaman and Druid can also use this weapon.

I'm curious, Nino, why do you use this item?

Sarducci · 01-13-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by Ainmer
A normal 400 DD proc weapon should do considerably less damage than a Hammer of Damnation, unless the proc rate on the weapon was incredible like the cleric hammer. I doubt this since Shaman and Druid can also use this weapon.

I'm curious, Nino, why do you use this item?

Most likely because it's almost as good as any weapon/shield combo, and a lot more original. I'm sure it's got particle effects, from the sound of it. I'm doubting Nino runs OOM much other than buffing these days, and if it is going to be a tight situation he can easily whip out that weap/shield combo. Also if almost all the time is spent raiding, I doubt Nino melees even in AA XP groups since they are most likely AA XPing on tougher stuff than most people are at lvl 65.

There is something to be said for originality and variety even in the end game.

Scuba Steve · 01-13-2003, 02:36 PM

/agree Sarducci

Its something to use just for the coolness factor of the item itself IMO. I loved having the main and off-hand claws from kunark on my ranger just for the wolverine look! =)

Hurk · 01-13-2003, 02:41 PM

my point, which you missed, is that clerics/dru/shaman get one thing from pri/sec items... stats. you get your DPS. If i want DPS, i need to gather several focus items, the spells themselves etc.

so, should your tradeoff be a "good weapon" ie high DPS and/or good at holding agro, or a "good stat item" ie, +30 to stats/resists, but below average dps.

so my comparison of a 1000/10 weapon for a cleric, is the cleric getting a good dps item as well as having the nice stats. I also pointed out your need for mana and hit points in a single item is not as critical. clerics use on average 2 times as much mana per spell as wizards, and aer high on the agro list, without the ability to mitigate their position except by stopping the heals... which isnt an option.

Yes, i agree that 2h, should generally have a higher total value than 1h, and by the fact that no one high end will use 1h for DPS, tells me you ARE making the tradeoff from stats to DPS.

give me some good reason that you should not be making that tradeoff, and I'll agree you need an upgrade.

Grord · 01-13-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Hurk

give me some good reason that you should not be making that tradeoff, and I'll agree you need an upgrade.

...because dual weilding classes don't have to make a tradeoff usually.

Schatze · 01-13-2003, 04:37 PM

Clerics can mitigate their aggro, takes like a 5 second pause... but can do it.

Furor Planedefiler · 01-13-2003, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Grord

...because dual weilding classes don't have to make a tradeoff usually.

DW is dead, you and Kreugen and the rest of the homos need to quit using this as an example.

No warrior in his right mind will DW if given the option not to (Elemental Planes capable wars). Do you really need to increase a mobs DPS on you by 10-20%? No... the extra 150hps don't mean shit compared to the added Ripostes. Not fun...

DW = dead forever, shut up.

Figan · 01-13-2003, 04:54 PM

Fuck all this bitching about why you think it is good to use ect ect... Nino just post a screenshot of what it looks like please

Frodlin7th · 01-13-2003, 07:25 PM

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If they really want Knights to use 2 handers they need to make it worth the while.

ROFL, like... what else are they going to use? They don't need to give incentives for Knights to use 2h weapons. On the other hand, the Paladins are making an excellent point. The fact is, 2h weapons should have better stats than 1 handers, but I don't know that it needs to be double, because the benefit of a 2 hander is increased hitpoints from not having mobs riposte you in the face so much (if you're tanking).

Iannis · 01-13-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Furor Planedefiler
DW = dead forever, shut up.

Nah, that'd be DF. DW = dead warrior.

Nikkohung You · 01-13-2003, 08:49 PM

just 3 words - rabid fucking bear
hehe

Furor Planedefiler · 01-14-2003, 01:31 AM

I snapped these photos tonight. The Second one is Nino preparing to 'bob my knob,' if you know what I mean *wink*

01-13-2003, 01:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
SalTheBard Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 174 -1 Internets	That being said what about the dmg/dly for so many castor weapons now. 60/40 and such thats fuckin unreal yet Knights get fucked up 2h slashers. If they really want Knights to use 2 handers they need to make it worth the while. __________________ Saladas "Ranch" Dressing Just Some Bard

01-13-2003, 02:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ainmer Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 96 -2 Internets	I suppose I don't understand why a cleric would use this item... A normal 400 DD proc weapon should do considerably less damage than a Hammer of Damnation, unless the proc rate on the weapon was incredible like the cleric hammer. I doubt this since Shaman and Druid can also use this weapon. I'm curious, Nino, why do you use this item?

01-14-2003, 01:31 AM	#28 (permalink)
Furor Planedefiler A Relic Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,227 +15 Internets	BY POPULAR DEMAND! I snapped these photos tonight. The Second one is Nino preparing to 'bob my knob,' if you know what I mean wink Attached Images

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01-13-2003, 02:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
Scuba Steve God! Help me pour this gas on me! I need to drown in flames to be free! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Under your bed Posts: 121 -1 Internets	/agree Sarducci Its something to use just for the coolness factor of the item itself IMO. I loved having the main and off-hand claws from kunark on my ranger just for the wolverine look! =)

01-13-2003, 02:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
Hurk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 64 -1 Internets	my point, which you missed, is that clerics/dru/shaman get one thing from pri/sec items... stats. you get your DPS. If i want DPS, i need to gather several focus items, the spells themselves etc. so, should your tradeoff be a "good weapon" ie high DPS and/or good at holding agro, or a "good stat item" ie, +30 to stats/resists, but below average dps. so my comparison of a 1000/10 weapon for a cleric, is the cleric getting a good dps item as well as having the nice stats. I also pointed out your need for mana and hit points in a single item is not as critical. clerics use on average 2 times as much mana per spell as wizards, and aer high on the agro list, without the ability to mitigate their position except by stopping the heals... which isnt an option. Yes, i agree that 2h, should generally have a higher total value than 1h, and by the fact that no one high end will use 1h for DPS, tells me you ARE making the tradeoff from stats to DPS. give me some good reason that you should not be making that tradeoff, and I'll agree you need an upgrade.

01-13-2003, 04:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
Schatze Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,505 +1 Internets	Clerics can mitigate their aggro, takes like a 5 second pause... but can do it.

01-13-2003, 04:54 PM	#24 (permalink)
Figan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 57 -1 Internets	Fuck all this bitching about why you think it is good to use ect ect... Nino just post a screenshot of what it looks like please