Kerafyrm's second coming and the downfall of uber guilds? AKA Stupidest Titled Post

XevJeeb · 01-07-2003, 09:29 AM

Serious posts only please, keep your flaming goodness away from this one ;P

Went out and picked up the EQ Atlas for a good 20 bucks today, was browsing through and came across the Sleeper's Tomb section.

"However, the activites of mortals have awakened Kerafyrm, who has fled to an unknown location where his power increases each moment. Shortly thereafter, the tomb was overrun by strange, powerful, malevolent beings known as the Ancients, also four in number."

"With Kerafyrm's recent awakening and the unexpected and fearsome return of the Ancients, the tomb has undergone a very dramatic change. Many of the former relics of the tomb are now gone - completely devoured by the hungry Ancients."

Ok, so the book talks about the awakening and the revamp. What else does it have to offer?

A direct blow to the guilds who awakened Kerafyrm himself, and a hint of things to come.

"Kerafyrm awaits and replenishes his power in an unknown location. However, it was not only Kerafyrm that awoke, but also his disciples; all arisen through the arrogant actions of the would-be second-generation heroes. Truly alarming, four dragons of great power, loyal to Kerafyrm since the first crack appeared in their eggs, have been re-awakened. Meanwhile, the Ancients that ousted Kerafyrm's wards, build an army for a dark purpose that is to be fulfilled with the return of Kerafyrm himself."

So what do all of you get out of this? Perhaps EQ2 will focus on this storyline more? Perhaps the next expansion will further this? Please, I would like to hear your opinions. Was it the "arrogant actions of the would-be second-generation heroes" that caused this change in storyline or was this already built in, with SoE knowing guilds would continue to awaken Kerafyrm even after the warnings from baddies inside his tomb?

edit: Spelling, "not only Kerafyrm's that awoke" should be "not only Kerafyrm that awoke". this was an error in the book itself.

Dr. Funkenstein · 01-07-2003, 09:35 AM

One of the main problems with the EQ storyline is that the developers write it as they go along.

That description is just the story to added for the revamp. I'm willing to be it will be as forgotten as Mayong was.

Drunkadelic · 01-07-2003, 09:37 AM

Interestingly enough as it would be to re-implement The Sleeper, in my opinion, it's just the creative writers for the EQ "lore" blowing more of their rumorsmoke up the consumer's ass.

They can write a good story, sure.... but implementing something gamewise, well, we all see everyday how that goes.

But hell, who knows. Maybe one day we'll all be screwing around and we'll see an /ooc about how Kerafyrm is back, is in GFay and is eating beggars left and right.

Darkuwa · 01-07-2003, 09:48 AM

the return of kerafyrm wont be the downfall of uber guilds the plane of time will. your warrior has aged 5 trillion years he can no longer wield his sword your caster as been returned to an age before he knew how to use magic. the nameless smacks you your character was never created therefore he is deleted and cannot be restored.

SendaSteel · 01-07-2003, 10:30 AM

Everquest has the biggest pile of shit Lore writers you will ever see in your life.

Seriously, they just sit down at a table one day and decide to start making shit up where they left off, even if it makes no sense and doesn't work against other pre-existing storyline.

If you want to read GOOD lore, go check out the Shadowbane Lore. While the game may be a pile of crap, the storyline that they have made for the game is top-notch (going as far as explaining character re-spawning)

Unfortunately there is no way SOE can fix EQ's shitty plots now. It's too late. They should have thought about it more back in the day when they were rushing its pretty graphics engine out to the masses.

Patricio · 01-07-2003, 10:45 AM

I got that atlas for christmas and found it to be good on the whole but total crap in parts. There were inconsistencies or things that just made no sense with how the game actually is. Compare, for instance, what it says about naggy and vox and why they're caged where they are with the stuff that came out during the sleeper script.

On the whole the book is good, but take any given sentence with a grain of salt.

Cybsled · 01-07-2003, 10:47 AM

I'm pretty sure we'll see Kerafym again, but it will be in Plane of Time and it will be in the past (One of the eras was an "iceage"...aka Velious. The only really notable event in Velious would have to be the Kerafym Vs. The CoV fiasco that led to his capture).

XevJeeb · 01-07-2003, 11:04 AM

SendaSteel, your comments aren't appreciated.

As far as I know, Kerafyrm is supposedly the child of Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox, right? Supposedly they wanted to get married and have more kids but the gods banished them to opposite ends of Norrath. Correct me if I'm wrong.

XevJeeb · 01-07-2003, 11:09 AM

BTW, if anyone has any logs of the Sleeper's Tomb script event happening, I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it. i.e. what gets broadcasted, etc.

FuckYou · 01-07-2003, 11:11 AM

Velious wasn't an "iceage", jagass. It's a continent in a non-temperate climate. By what you said, Antartica is an "ice age". Take it to the base, if you please.

The other posters are right, EQ lore is horribly inconsistant. The Luclin "storyline"... come on. Whoops! We blew a city to the moon, but every was ok. Suck it long, and suck it hard.

Hurk · 01-07-2003, 11:23 AM

one of the best explinations of EQ lore does work though. the fact is history is told by the teller, its not catigorized and notated in correct order or anything else.

there are over a billion people on this planet and half cant even agree if Jesus was human or a deity.
Considering our **real** history isnt the same from country to country, I wouldnt expect a game centered around races at war with each other to be any diffrent.

An Inbred Yokel · 01-07-2003, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by XevJeeb
SendaSteel, your comments aren't appreciated.

As far as I know, Kerafyrm is supposedly the child of Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox, right? Supposedly they wanted to get married and have more kids but the gods banished them to opposite ends of Norrath. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, this is a point which is disagreed on (yay inconsistent lore info.), but Naggy/Vox weren't allowed to mate (they wanted to, but due to what happened with Kerafyrm) and were banished by the RoS.

Zurren · 01-07-2003, 11:48 AM

The problem isnt so much that the lore writers suck. The problem is more or less the high turnover rate of people who are working on content/quests. DevJoe may be working on something pretty neat/cool .. but then gets fired, moved to a different project, given a different job or exported to alaska to make iglus for underprivleged children. Then up comes DevBob ... he see's a bit of what DevJoe was doing, its not done.. so he tries to pick up the pieces .. rinse, repeat and that is why so much of the lore in EQ is all over and not totatly consistant.

Chances are, if they had the same core people now that they had at the start working on lore/quests/etc .. you'd see something alot more coheasive then it is now.

Shuyo · 01-07-2003, 12:45 PM

2 dragons of differnt colors mated to produce Kerafyrm. Their names are never mentioned to my knowledge. Naggy and Vox were banished from the RoS for attempting to create a second kerafyrm. Depending on how you read it, it could be them, it could not. fuckit I say.

Folanlron · 01-07-2003, 12:51 PM

no one know who the parent's of kerafym are.

Nag, and Vox fiasco happened to late for them to be actual parents of Kerafym, Ring of Scale was formed shortly after the Dragon War's, were Kerafym was en-tombed(sp?)

from what lore has been released about eq2 the time setting and all, all the continents and the moon itself, except the main continent of Antonica were destroyed.(could be linked with the return of kerafym and his dark army)

01-07-2003, 09:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
XevJeeb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21 -1 Internets	Kerafyrm's second coming and the downfall of uber guilds? Serious posts only please, keep your flaming goodness away from this one ;P Went out and picked up the EQ Atlas for a good 20 bucks today, was browsing through and came across the Sleeper's Tomb section. "However, the activites of mortals have awakened Kerafyrm, who has fled to an unknown location where his power increases each moment. Shortly thereafter, the tomb was overrun by strange, powerful, malevolent beings known as the Ancients, also four in number." "With Kerafyrm's recent awakening and the unexpected and fearsome return of the Ancients, the tomb has undergone a very dramatic change. Many of the former relics of the tomb are now gone - completely devoured by the hungry Ancients." Ok, so the book talks about the awakening and the revamp. What else does it have to offer? A direct blow to the guilds who awakened Kerafyrm himself, and a hint of things to come. "Kerafyrm awaits and replenishes his power in an unknown location. However, it was not only Kerafyrm that awoke, but also his disciples; all arisen through the arrogant actions of the would-be second-generation heroes. Truly alarming, four dragons of great power, loyal to Kerafyrm since the first crack appeared in their eggs, have been re-awakened. Meanwhile, the Ancients that ousted Kerafyrm's wards, build an army for a dark purpose that is to be fulfilled with the return of Kerafyrm himself." So what do all of you get out of this? Perhaps EQ2 will focus on this storyline more? Perhaps the next expansion will further this? Please, I would like to hear your opinions. Was it the "arrogant actions of the would-be second-generation heroes" that caused this change in storyline or was this already built in, with SoE knowing guilds would continue to awaken Kerafyrm even after the warnings from baddies inside his tomb? edit: Spelling, "not only Kerafyrm's that awoke" should be "not only Kerafyrm that awoke". this was an error in the book itself. Last edited by XevJeeb : 01-07-2003 at 11:06 AM.

01-07-2003, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
Drunkadelic Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 10 -1 Internets	Interestingly enough as it would be to re-implement The Sleeper, in my opinion, it's just the creative writers for the EQ "lore" blowing more of their rumorsmoke up the consumer's ass. They can write a good story, sure.... but implementing something gamewise, well, we all see everyday how that goes. But hell, who knows. Maybe one day we'll all be screwing around and we'll see an /ooc about how Kerafyrm is back, is in GFay and is eating beggars left and right. __________________ "GM, I am black, I am no longer a member of cats in hats, and anything you do to me now will be filed as racism and harassment."

01-07-2003, 10:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cybsled Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,439 +16 Internets	I'm pretty sure we'll see Kerafym again, but it will be in Plane of Time and it will be in the past (One of the eras was an "iceage"...aka Velious. The only really notable event in Velious would have to be the Kerafym Vs. The CoV fiasco that led to his capture). __________________ Training the citizens of Norrath from 1999-2003!

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01-07-2003, 09:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dr. Funkenstein Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 687 -7 Internets	One of the main problems with the EQ storyline is that the developers write it as they go along. That description is just the story to added for the revamp. I'm willing to be it will be as forgotten as Mayong was.

01-07-2003, 09:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
Darkuwa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: in your sock Posts: 8 -1 Internets	the return of kerafyrm wont be the downfall of uber guilds the plane of time will. your warrior has aged 5 trillion years he can no longer wield his sword your caster as been returned to an age before he knew how to use magic. the nameless smacks you your character was never created therefore he is deleted and cannot be restored.

01-07-2003, 10:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
SendaSteel Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 74 -1 Internets	Everquest has the biggest pile of shit Lore writers you will ever see in your life. Seriously, they just sit down at a table one day and decide to start making shit up where they left off, even if it makes no sense and doesn't work against other pre-existing storyline. If you want to read GOOD lore, go check out the Shadowbane Lore. While the game may be a pile of crap, the storyline that they have made for the game is top-notch (going as far as explaining character re-spawning) Unfortunately there is no way SOE can fix EQ's shitty plots now. It's too late. They should have thought about it more back in the day when they were rushing its pretty graphics engine out to the masses.

01-07-2003, 10:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
Patricio Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 24 -1 Internets	I got that atlas for christmas and found it to be good on the whole but total crap in parts. There were inconsistencies or things that just made no sense with how the game actually is. Compare, for instance, what it says about naggy and vox and why they're caged where they are with the stuff that came out during the sleeper script. On the whole the book is good, but take any given sentence with a grain of salt.

01-07-2003, 11:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
XevJeeb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21 -1 Internets	SendaSteel, your comments aren't appreciated. As far as I know, Kerafyrm is supposedly the child of Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox, right? Supposedly they wanted to get married and have more kids but the gods banished them to opposite ends of Norrath. Correct me if I'm wrong.

01-07-2003, 11:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
XevJeeb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21 -1 Internets	BTW, if anyone has any logs of the Sleeper's Tomb script event happening, I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it. i.e. what gets broadcasted, etc.

01-07-2003, 11:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
FuckYou snape kills razorgore Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,714 +1 Internets	Velious wasn't an "iceage", jagass. It's a continent in a non-temperate climate. By what you said, Antartica is an "ice age". Take it to the base, if you please. The other posters are right, EQ lore is horribly inconsistant. The Luclin "storyline"... come on. Whoops! We blew a city to the moon, but every was ok. Suck it long, and suck it hard.

01-07-2003, 11:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
Hurk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 64 -1 Internets	one of the best explinations of EQ lore does work though. the fact is history is told by the teller, its not catigorized and notated in correct order or anything else. there are over a billion people on this planet and half cant even agree if Jesus was human or a deity. Considering our real history isnt the same from country to country, I wouldnt expect a game centered around races at war with each other to be any diffrent.

01-07-2003, 11:48 AM	#13 (permalink)
Zurren Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 548 -7 Internets	The problem isnt so much that the lore writers suck. The problem is more or less the high turnover rate of people who are working on content/quests. DevJoe may be working on something pretty neat/cool .. but then gets fired, moved to a different project, given a different job or exported to alaska to make iglus for underprivleged children. Then up comes DevBob ... he see's a bit of what DevJoe was doing, its not done.. so he tries to pick up the pieces .. rinse, repeat and that is why so much of the lore in EQ is all over and not totatly consistant. Chances are, if they had the same core people now that they had at the start working on lore/quests/etc .. you'd see something alot more coheasive then it is now.

01-07-2003, 12:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
Shuyo Undeniably forgotten Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 290 +0 Internets	2 dragons of differnt colors mated to produce Kerafyrm. Their names are never mentioned to my knowledge. Naggy and Vox were banished from the RoS for attempting to create a second kerafyrm. Depending on how you read it, it could be them, it could not. fuckit I say.

01-07-2003, 12:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Folanlron Teh Hitman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Lower, Hell Posts: 106 +0 Internets	no one know who the parent's of kerafym are. Nag, and Vox fiasco happened to late for them to be actual parents of Kerafym, Ring of Scale was formed shortly after the Dragon War's, were Kerafym was en-tombed(sp?) from what lore has been released about eq2 the time setting and all, all the continents and the moon itself, except the main continent of Antonica were destroyed.(could be linked with the return of kerafym and his dark army)