Agoraphobia

[Zarseem Nasaar]

I think there is a huge difference between traditional thinking, acting like something you're not, and thinking outside the box.

Traditional thinking, for the sake of this argument, we will define as: non-forward thinking; lack of insight, vision, original or questioning thought; contentment without substance (example being,"I have 2.3 kids, a house with a white picket fence, a dog named spot, I attend PTA meetings, I am Joe Average, I am the proverbial statistic; when the census says that the average Caucasian does this and this and this, they are referring to me; I am dull, boring, bland. I am the median, I am content with this, I strive for nothing else, I will not rock the boat for fear of the waves.")

Acting like something you're not: white suburban males acting like ghetto gang members from South Central L.A. simply because it is the trend pumped into their minds by their peers, by the media, etc. Can also be defined as any trend produced by the media that encourages people to be shallow, and traditional/median people (read as: N'SYNC, Backstreet Boys, Britney Speers, pop culture, etc.).

Thinking outside the box: going against the grain; doing stuff because it is your will, not because it is the norm of society. Doing something because it needs to be done, regardless of the risks or dangers. The desire to change the world, or your little section of the world, for better or for worse, in a huge, monumental way.

Now, I tried to keep that simple. Some of you are going to nitpick, and mence words (and I blame this on your lack of vision or ability to comprehend simple sentences...but this could be upbringing, genetic, or the pathetic educational system in the U.S.), so let me detail it a bit more.

This world is full of the haves, and the have nots. But boil it down, and there are three types of people who run around in the world:

The first group are your cattle people. Fit only to be used and thrown away, they deserve neither pity or assistance, and barely deserve scorn and contempt. The vast majority of the world fit into this category. They lack vision, and the will to change their world, much less the world at large. They might have a use, at some point, in their pathetic, meaningless lives...and if you do see they have a use, milk them, drain them, and walk away.

The second group are tools. They are to be used, repeatedly, for their slotted purpose in life. Be it money, food, sex, comfort, whatever. They have a limited amount of vision and insight on life, and can occasionally be decent conversation partners, but for the most part, simply are there to be used. You tend your tools, and therefore are required to spend some time making sure they are at least in reasonably good shapre. But you can also find new tools, and as such, they can be tossed away.

The final group are PEOPLE. Few and far between, they are original thinkers, and can hold their own in a conversation without resorting to nit-picky mencing and dicing of words. They might not agree with what you say, but will not resort to petty name calling, in other words.

I'd type more, but again, work calls, and the dead need to be tended. Someone called me a bigot. Klansmen and Nazis are bigots. I am an equal-oppurtunity hater, and I hate everyone and everything equally. Why play favorites?

Sociopath? Those guys are like Dahmer, or Manson, or Gacy, or whatever. Murder is so passe, and bland. Why bother? Besides, as pathetic as the cattle people are, it is amusing to watch them scurry like ants in their meaningless little existences. Try it some time. It's a laugh.

[trib]

froofy, why did you bump this?

[Schar]

Zarseem, your problem sounds like severe depression... you have an interesting outlook on life. I agree with you that those 3 categories you mentioned are different, though. Why do you keep mentioning that you've got to go back to embalming corpses? I'm glad that you're not unemployed, but that seems to be an odd thing to randomly mention in posts.

Tell me, what's wrong with living life with the theory "do unto others as you'd have done to you" (or however it goes)? My personal beleif is that if every person in the world took up that lifestyle, the world would be a much better place. Do you disagree? Why is it that you feel you need to change the world? Do you mean change it for the better? Or whatever makes it interesting? (ie. killing every bird you see to see how it effects the environment, or punching someone in the face just to see how they react). I hope it's not the latter, but i have a feeling it is.

[userr0101]

What is wrong with living a traditional life Zarseem? You seem pretty quick to judge anything and everyone around you, as if your out changing the entire world for the better? I don't personally mind cynical, arrogant and non-conformist people, but you're being a hypocrite judging everyone when in theory you aren't even living such a marvelous, ground-breaking, world-changing existence either. List out some of your major accomplishments that have positively affected the world then sure, go right on calling everyone mindless sheep.

Your perception of everyone could very well be flawed as well. How you view people in your day to day life couldn't possibly be 100 percent correct could it?

The final group are PEOPLE...They might not agree with what you say, but will not resort to petty name calling, in other words.

So saying things like:

I hate the Yo Dawgs, the trendy little bitches...
The stupid, weeping masses...People are so foul, disgusting, and wrong...Being surrounded by all those foul people....YUCK.

Disqualifies you as a person then.

I suggest some self reflection, it might do you some good.

[Zarseem Nasaar]

You will notice not once, in the multiple rants I posted, did I EVER, in ANY way, shape, form, fashion, imply, hint, or anything else, state which group I was in. I tend to look at myself in the light that I do not fit into any of the groups.

Also note that I did not state in any way that it was not possible to go from group to group. Nothing is hard and fast in life, and as we learn more of the world, and ourselves, our views and visions change; therefore, it would have been hypocritical for me to say that people cannot become better, or worse, and become more like the REAL people, or have real people become cattle.

My accomplishments? Well, let's see. I served in the 75th Ranger Regiment for a year and a half, and the 82nd Airborne Division for nearly 3 years. In theose 4 and a half years, I assisted the U.S. government with missions in Kosovo and Egypt, and assisted in formatting training for mountain and cave operations that, to my knowledge, is still being used by the light infantry units of the nation's military. I've also managed to get an associate's degree in embalming and funeral directing, had a family, and seen and done a lot of other nifty stuff.

Now, the above paragraph might be construed as defensive, or what have you. I type it because you wanted some accomplishments. Now I pose the same question to the rest of you...since I am going to run with the statistic that the VAST majority of you still hang on your mother's apron strings, or perhaps are in college, away from home for the very first time (awww, how sweet...our wittle man is so growed up!), what have YOU accomplished?

Bitterness? Depression? Not so much. Bitter, yes, because I see the potential of man wasted because of politics, religion, pop culture, and a lack of desire to change anything because of a fear of the unknownn. Depression, though? Nah. Just a little angry at the wastes of air I see on a daily basis.

Anyway, again, have to tend the dead. Too many children are dying lately; it's a little disturbing, but then, we do, statistically, have a higher infant mortality rate than some of those spare-changing, needy, greedy, pathetic, worthless third world countries we're always trying to save.

[Bronyaur]

Originally posted by Zarseem Nasaar
Anyway, again, have to tend the dead. Too many children are dying lately; it's a little disturbing, but then, we do, statistically, have a higher infant mortality rate than some of those spare-changing, needy, greedy, pathetic, worthless third world countries we're always trying to save.

http://www.bartleby.com/151/a28.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004393.html

The U.S. has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. Much lower than any third world country.....

And to clarify, those numbers count the number of infant deaths per 1000 births.

[VelMonk]

To clarify, when I said non-traditional way of acting, I meant white guys acting black, which is dumb, both the way of acting in and of itself and white guys acting black.

"But Vel, wearing your pants at your ankles and failing to learn any semblance of grammar is a part of their culture!" ~Liberal Ass

Bullshit, it's stupid, makes you LOOK stupid, and that's just how it is.

White guy applying for a job in a suit, well-groomed hair, will get the job, not the guy wearing FukU Pants at his feet, a comb in his hair, and a basketball jersey.

I'm all for thinking outside the box, hell, fuck the box, everyone should think for themselves, but the line between Retardation | Culture is easily distinguishable.

I know, I'm talking about the views of our society, if everyone acted that way, it would be normal, but it isn't, and it annoys me.

[Cedil]

Zarseem the fact that you define people based only on how they relate to YOU shows that your whole vision is NOT REAL.

Listen to me buddy, this is IN YOUR FUCKING HEAD.

Sure everything you said may right have been true, but it is only from your point of view and that is something you can choose to define.

Change your fucking point of view you are the most unbelievably negative person I could imagine.

People are NOT THAT BAD. Life is NOT THAT BAD. Humans are humans man fucking accept it that's life.

There are plenty of good thigns about EVERY SINGLE PERSON out there and you know what? You spend so much time getting mad about all this "wasted potential" that you're throwing away the opportunity to see the good things.

There are things to live for besides "accomplishments" and if you give people a chance, you'll see this.

[Zarseem Nasaar]

I knew someone was going to pull the old nihilistic (oh, yeah, I used to be a philosophy major...look at dem 5 dollah words!), it's-all-in-your-head spiel. That's so played out. It's that same kind of goody-goody, touchy-feely, imrpove-yon-self-esteem bullshit that has the nation's schools in a fucking toilet.

Life is not pleasant. Life is not feel-good, love-not-war, let's-all-get-along-and-sing-Kumbayah-'round-the-campfire.

Life is a proving ground. It is a struggle. It is a fight. It is pain, sorrow, suffering, learning, evolving, changing, winning. There are pawns, and there are kings (and some of you people might even remember that lovely game called Chess...and guess what the pawn can become if he dodges the rest of the pieces and makes it to the other side alive? Yes, that's right, he can become a stronger, better piece).

Your reward for survival, for adapting, for dealing with bullshit for a few days or 75 or more years, is the final peace of death. But don't go rushing to the end just yet, friends and neighbors. How can you appreciate peace when you know nothing of suffering? Have to live life first.

It's that feel-good mentality that causes riots when it comes time for our troops to go to war. It's that why-can't-we-all-just-get-along bullshit that prevents the justice system from dishing out just punishment. It is that liberal bullshit that keeps us down, because we should get in touch with our Venus-feminine-inner-fuzziness, right?

BULLSHIT. Alot of people deserve to die. That's a fact. Mass murderers, rapists, pedophiles, whatever. Saddam. Osama. Hell, who knows, maybe even Bush, Sr. (former master of the CIA, who knows what dirty deeds he's done in the name of freedom?) And all your feel-goodness vibes will not change the fact that the vast majority of people who populate this blue marble are fucking worthless wastes of sperm, eggs, air, and carbon.

In my head, you say? Take a look at the world around you, bub, before you start saying it's a fucking illusion.

[BirgittePovar]

Life is both Pain and Suffering and Love and Joy.

If you truly only believe the former, you need psychological help. Of course, the first step in this is always realizing you need help, and you obviously don't.

You aren't going to find the answers you seek here.

[Schar]

Originally posted by BirgittePovar
Life is both Pain and Suffering and Love and Joy.

I completely agree. Life has its major struggles, and then of course the good times. The goal (well my goal) is to get through the struggles as best as you can, and then enjoy the good times as much as possible, because that's what life is all about. Zarseem, you seem like you're having trouble getting past the struggles, you're focusing on all the bad shit in the world (which there is plenty of). But come on, there's lots to enjoy... finding a girl with similar interests, having a child, doing whatever hobbies you enjoy, watching a good movie, reading a good book, competitive sports, travelling the world, etc, etc.

[Concerned Psychologist]

I'm not going to make this long, because typing just isn't my thing.

I used to be like a lot of the people posting here. Afraid to go out in public, afraid to socialize, and terrified to get in relationships with people. I don't think I was Agoraphobic, I think it was a self confidence/esteem issue. Before I got over it I played EQ 24/7 and it seemed like it ruined my life. To finally get over my fear of going in public/socializing I read a quote that made so much sense.

"The way people view you is like the way you see yourself in a crazy mirror in a funhouse at a carnival. The picture is ALWAYS distorted and NEVER true. Only you can see your true reflection."

I got off EQ, made friends, did a lot of stupid teenage shit and now guess what I'm doing?

I play EQ 24/7 again. Not because I can't socialize, but because it's what I think is fun. It's what I like to do.

I feel sorry for people with Agoraphobia/SAD, but if playing EQ is there bag, more power to them. If it's not, stop playing and get medication because you should do what makes you happy.

[Iannis]

lets all give zarseem a magical friendship hug!
...what?

[Schatze]

Zarseem Nasaar

What you just described is basically existentialism.

Sarte + Nietzsche = wise men.

To anyone else; look up some of the central tenets of existentialism...

Life has no meaning, so find it where you will.

Life is also absurd- even the best action can have the worst consequences.

Nothing matters except that you live your live the way you want to.

Really fascinating stuff, I find a blend of stoicism/existentialism to be the best "life philosophy" for those who suffer from debilitating illnesses such as GAD, agoraphobia etc.

Do whatever gives you meaning and makes you happy, because there is fuck all purpose to life.

And before someone jumps on my back, this is an extremely dumbed down version of the "main" school of existentialism.

[Cedil]

Zarseem step back and look at how unbelievably negative you are.

Be logical man, of the billions of people alive, you think your the only one who "pulled back the curtaio" and sees the truth?

Is it more likely you've discovered something the other billions of people didnt notice, or that you've aquired a very negative outlook on life? The odds are 1 Billion to 1. What do you think?

Listen mad, when I got depressed, I was JUST LIKE YOU. All I could see was wasted potential. Stupid people. Corrupt system. Etc. Etc. Etc.

You need to ACCEPT humanity. Accept us for what we are, and then fucking enjoy your stay here man, because like you said yourself, you live for 75 years and then its up. "Peace".