Patch has come and gone and still a problem with elemental armor

[Destinae]

Huh? Rangers have more hp than monks/rogues, and I think it's safe to assume a ranger that isn't deguilded by the time you're in elemental planes would have archery mastery.

[Furor Planedefiler]

down

now

Let's keep the flames to a (2) "cock," (5) "fuck" maximum.

[Grumoor]

Here's the deal...'pure melee' gear is like two scoops of chocolate ice cream. However 'hybrid' gear is like one scoop of chocolate ice cream and one scoop of vanilla ice cream.

Now, shut your fucking mouth and eat your God damn chocolate ice cream, you silly bitch.

[Buhf]

/agree Destinae - robe pls

[Benren]

Is your complaint with the stats or the effects?

The effects look awesome.

Wha'? Are you serious? Um, guy... it's right click Selo's. Let me say that again. THERE'S RIGHT CLICK SELO'S ON THE PANTS.

Are you stoned?

[Schezanna]

And your idiotic point is, Benren? That's faster casting than the spell itself, bards can still clicky cast while running, there's 0 chance of a fizzle, and it's one less spell you have to mem.

[DcDohl]

Originally posted by Schezanna
And your idiotic point is, Benren? That's faster casting than the spell itself, bards can still clicky cast while running, there's 0 chance of a fizzle, and it's one less spell you have to mem.

Apparently, you're a hybrid newbie. Giving an effect to a hybrid that they already have is insulting enough. At least make it an instrument.

While we're on the subject:
http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=15764

Pure example of cluelessness. Outdated effect that no ranger at that level will ever use.

[Fogel]

Pure melee's can complain about armor stats as soon as hybrids start getting 2handers with stats equal to two 1handers

[Schezanna]

Hey DcDipstick, you just flapping your gums to hear yourself speak or did you actually take a look at the goddamn items?

The pants may not have the best effect, but they are a higher level group speed with a 1 second casting time (easier to twist). The BP is fscking Warsong of Zek, so step off moron.

[DcDohl]

...in which case let me put it down straight for you. I know some people have difficulty understanding.

ornate bard BP - Warsong of Zek, L62 song. Bard have it? yes. Getting it on BP? Oh wow..well yah i got it already but...eh, it's convenient.

ornate bard Leg - Selo Accelerating Chorus, L49 song, Bard have it? Yes, getting on leg? Convenience *shrug* 1 sec cast time...yah...it's convenient..sorta..already have it though.

ornate Melee BP - Shield of the Arcane. L61 caster spell. Melee have it? No. Getting it on BP? Holy fucken shit, we can cast spells?! hells yah, we got more powa!(tm)


Maybe you hang around the laziest fucken hybrid/bard in the game and they think these effects are cool upgrade, but seriously, we sacrifice gained power/abilities for simple convenience. Any decent hard playing hybrid/bard can get around those effects on their armor if they know how to arrange their spells and songs correctly and basically get no real upgrade, it just makes them lazier.

You think about that, you lazy fucks.

Oh btw, who cares about Ornate patterns anyways =P

*fuck my typos*

[CyanonTK]

Arcane shield (Ornate Bp) and Health (Ornate Legs) are worthless for anything, except perhaps grouping without a shaman. Unless you need ~30 MR more than ~200ish hp, which is Oh so useful on raids where you can get 400+ MR

I'm sure anyone here could think of dozens more useful and appropriate effects. Vengeance 'n' or so on the Ornate Bp for one, would be much more useful...

~~Cyanon 65th Transcendant of The Kindred

[Benren]

The pants may not have the best effect, but they are a higher level group speed with a 1 second casting time (easier to twist). The BP is fscking Warsong of Zek, so step off moron.

God damn, did you actually attempt to flame someone by telling them they like to hear the sound of thier own voice? Because you're as big a flamebait as I've seen on this board, and that puts you in some pretty exclusive company.

Welcome to Bard 101 : Beginner's Barding.

- Hey, let me ask you something. kk, listen up. Sit up straight. Thinking cap on.

When was the last time you grouped with someone twisting fucking Selo's?

- Welcome to the age of the proc weapon. Wait, it just occured to me that you might not be familair. You see, a proc weapon is any weapon that has a spell-life effect on it that "procs", or processes, at random, with there being a chance that this weapon will process each time you strike a monster. k?

Well, bards get proc weapons, too. I'm pretty sure you're aware of one of them. It's called the Singing Short Sword, and it's the only epic in the game you'll ever see any character weilding during a fight if they have end-zone gear. Why? Because it procs the single best group-wide proc buff in this game. Fourty points of raw, spell-based attack. (And a 60% haste, not really that great these days. Not mentioning the all instrument convenience and sing amplification.)

Along with the proc from the Singing Short Sword, most bards have inventories full of proccing weapons with procs they like and use in combat on a regular basis. Personally, I switch out four weapons in combat just for the procs, three if I'm grouped with an enchanter - Primal spear, SSS, Orb of Tishan, and Toetwister. Then we start getting into bard-only weapons or bard-favored weapons with proc damage, like Blackout or the Burning Rapier.

Still with me? Good.

Now, as of a few months ago, a Bard proccing a weapon means his casting bar blanks out if he's in the process of singing. Boo fucking hoo, right? Well, maybe so, if you were a regular hybrid. But a bard's casting bar is always active. If I am grouped, there is not a single moment where my casting bar is not filled with the juice. If I proc, my casting bar blanks out. The song is still in the process of being sung, however. The casting bar is ticking down, you just can't see it. This is why, if you look at Lucy, a good chunk of the spell changes over the past few months have been additions to bard songs that did not have wears off messages or messages that indicated that they were active, giving these songs those messages. Those of us that are buried under proccing weapons have developed faster reflexes as pertaining to our twisting, achieving the ability to time songs without the aid of the casting bar, relying on a combination of natural timing and spell spam. These spell changes aid that. However...

This new ability we've been forced to develop - knowing when to start a new song without the aid of a casting bar so as to not have to abort a song mid-cast and drop a twist - depends on one thing. All bard songs have the same cast time.

See where I'm going with this?

I, personally, do not have the network latency nor the natural rhythm to be timing different casting times over my procs. A lot of bards I've talked with about the 3.0 cast on Composer's BP agree - either make it instant with an extended duration, as is the pattern for some bard clicks, or give it the 6.0 casting time and be done with it.


But all of this disregards two simple points.

1.) Warsong of Zek is not a rare song. I've had it in my bank from before the moment I could scribe it, and it sells for under 2k on most servers. You might like Warsong of Zek. Congratulations, it's a pretty fucking own song, you have good song taste. But this has ZERO business on a PoP quested BP, ornate or otherwise. Maybe on the arms. Hell, maybe not even there. To put this into perspective for you, this on the BP is the same thing as a component-cost Virtue on the cleric BP. It's a useful spell, you don't have to mem it to cast it, but you'd much, much rather have something more useful on your breastplate slot.

2.) WE HAD SELO'S CLICK ON OUR VELIOUS BREASTPLATE, CAPTAIN ASSFUCK.

That is all.

[kasey]

Why are click spell effects in this game almost always sucky,
more ft more venegance more focus effects more modifiers more owny spells please

[Praetor AoD]

Here's another scenario:

Warrior has 1275 HP and 250 atk, without AA.
Paladin has 1170 HP, 1095 mana and 145 atk without AA.

When we apply max AAs to both of them, we realize that everything stays the fucking same as it always has been. Except the warrior gear has effects that put them at the worn atk cap plus worn regen cap, and paladins get a lot more mana/mana regen as well as focus effects but aren't at the atk and regen cap.

Scenario two:

All ornate armour licks balls and nobody cares about it. It's at best a lateral upgrade from much more easily obtainable Velious gear, with some added convenience effects. All of it.

End of thread.

[Gevarien~SolRo]

Benren do bards everywhere a favour and go play in traffic please.

Yes, there is a problem with the BP (and to a lesser degree the legs).

Yes it involves procs.

Now, procs used to do what you describe...... 'till about 6 months ago, since when we cannot proc while casting a spell off an item at all.

When did I group with someone who uses selos the last time? Today. And yesterday. And the day before that. I use it all the time while pulling, moving to a spot, training people, etc etc. Having it on an item with a one-second cast time is great imo, and doesn't really hurt your proc output since it has a short casting time and long duration. The BP is a problem because using it means that one quarter of the time you can't proc anything, and for the record I'd rather free one song slot than get some non-stacking HP buff.

As for the part about the casting time on the BP....for the love of baby jesus, please tell me you didn't just imply that sung WoZ has a 6 second cast time.

PS: Please get a weapon you can actually use, punching things with a burning rapier on your cursor won't do you much good.