Bard Charm - Tune It or Delete It - Page 2

Worry07 · 01-09-2003, 01:21 PM

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This post focused on bard charm. It makes one simple point - bard charm needs to be looked at. Even with the 64 upgrade, it cannot be used in PoP. That is not hyperbole. It's not me saying, "This is useless. Why would I cast this? This is horrible." It does not function. Everything from Tier 2 on is immune, and half of the things in Tier 1 are immune.

You're quite simply......wrong

Im 65 and swarm kite dark blue mobs and get an aa every 37 minutes or so.

I use a level 57 pet in a tier 3 zone. It allows me to solo level 60+ mobs in under 2 minutes.

I use charm to solo spectrals, runes, and ornate molds.

The level 64 charm works quite well for me, I've got no complaints.

vtynofsaryrn · 01-09-2003, 01:36 PM

Let me share something with you. Something i have learned from playing a Necromancer for going on 3 years now:

Enjoy what you have. Learn to use it in ways others have not thought of. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

In other words, be thankful you can charm at all.

You want a higher level cap on your charm? Be prepared to never see it unless you can get a Glyphed Rune Word, pal. Because if your charm gets upped to 59 or 60, you're gonna be seeing it as level 65 song. You thought it was bad now, just wait until you get your *fix* and then all the Bards are crying.

There are TONS of uses for the current Bard charms, just not in PoP. You are not an enchanter, you never will be. Accept it. You want to do CC for your group, go back to pre-PoP content. You want to play with the big kids and move up in the world, quit the bitch and get with the program.

Vtyn
Arch Lich
Heaven and Earth

Zorg · 01-09-2003, 02:00 PM

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You're quite simply......wrong

Im 65 and swarm kite dark blue mobs and get an aa every 37 minutes or so.

I use a level 57 pet in a tier 3 zone. It allows me to solo level 60+ mobs in under 2 minutes.

I use charm to solo spectrals, runes, and ornate molds.

The level 64 charm works quite well for me, I've got no complaints.

Using the pig in PoT? Fine. That still means that at 65 the number of places where you can use CoB to exp can be counted on one hand. CoB should be useful for more than dicking around in PoN and PoD and one small area of PoT.

Yes, bards are jack of all trades, we've all heard that before, but charming has always been something bards can do. CC/charm roles have always been a major part of bardic abilities, being second only to enchanters in those roles. Now, necromancers, druids, and mages are all better at charming than bards.

Benren · 01-09-2003, 02:21 PM

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There are TONS of uses for the current Bard charms, just not in PoP. You are not an enchanter, you never will be. Accept it. You want to do CC for your group, go back to pre-PoP content. You want to play with the big kids and move up in the world, quit the bitch and get with the program.

What, exactly, do I end up doing if I'm not CCing?

WarderX · 01-09-2003, 02:23 PM

Do you actually play a bard or are you making this stuff up?

Eraic · 01-10-2003, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by Benren

What, exactly, do I end up doing if I'm not CCing?

Coming from a bard, that may be one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard.

Benren · 01-10-2003, 07:48 AM

You're a bard. Of course it's stupid to you. It was more of a "show me" type question.

Bards themselves and those that group with bards heavily in raids, or have bard friends that they experience with, aside... do people actually know anything we can do beyond "Haste/mini-slow/DS/mana song"?

I grouped with three members of my server's "uber", and they did not know I could lull. They refused to let me pull, in the face of not having much to do with an enchanter -and- a shaman in the party. When I was mezzing mobs around the zone-in in PoI, helping derail a train, because I was early for a dragon raid, I was asked if I was using Pixie Strike.

There are two types of people when it comes to bards - those that know and those that don't. Some people have a very good idea of what it is we can do, or at least some of the things we can do. Monks, rogues, they have a good idea. Enchanters have a good idea. Our friends, they know. But there's a very large percentage of the EQ populace that still doesn't have the first clue about us. It's a cliched thing to say, and I wish it weren't true. There will be people following this post saying they know full well what it is we can do. But those people aren't the people that don't know, obviously.

Of those ignorant folk, most know we can mez. When they're looking for a bard, they're looking for a mezzer. If we're put down the path where someone says to us, "You shouldn't CC anymore. It's not your job anymore.", then what's left? Some of us are okay, we group with our guildies on a regular basis, and they know. But what about those of us out there that are spending hours LFG already? To the people you're interacting with that don't know that much about bards, if you're not mezzing something, you're just a familair singing mana song.

Jaryn · 01-10-2003, 08:14 PM

I never thought I'd see a player post something saying "nerf me please," but now after the "nerf bard's mana" and "nerf our charm ability" I don't know what to make of it.

Morphyous · 01-10-2003, 08:22 PM

This guy wanted bard mana songs nerfed right?

FurryCrew · 01-11-2003, 08:52 AM

Yet another person to add to the "please excomunicate from the bard class" list

Holy F**king shit.....bards are finnaly getting to the point of not constantly bring broken or other annoyance values and he wants more nurfs!

The dr00ds can have this guy as well

Benren · 01-11-2003, 01:18 PM

I seriously hope that it's not me you're referring to as the "person that's trying to get bards nerfed". Because I'm pretty sure I'm showing my ass in an attempt to get someone to notice that bard charm is FUBARed and needs to be looked at and fixed in some manner.

Symp · 01-11-2003, 02:38 PM

I can see where this thread is going.

"Omg, some bard is asking for more power!! Quick, derail the thread!!"

Look, the song that is in question is the top charm song that we receive. By the time you get it your grouping (if you group) in tier 3+ zones. Should it not be useable in the place your going to be fighting? If not then get rid of it and give us something that will be. What a concept eh?

Yes, not everyone groups. Yes, it would have to be tuned to make it useful and not abuseable but either do one or the other (tune it or remove it). It's not a waste as it sits but it is a waste for the grouping bard tier3 and above.

This isn't new news. I'm sure the only reason this has even been mentioned here is for visibility. I wouldn't doubt that Absor has already seen the threads on this on the bard boards and it's probably a waste of this message board's (not quite as elagant as furor would have put it).

Parum · 01-12-2003, 03:59 AM

Think of it this way. Say Focus of the 7th (or virtue or tranquility) only worked, in, say, that crappy trial you do to get to TT's lair and 1 other place (lets say one of the HoHb trials). That would suck, right? That spell would need retuning, right? Because it would suck if that were the case, and if it were your class you would complain.

Now, lets think outside our own little classes and say bard charm only works in crappy zones nobody goes to, and in one other place... gasp we want it fixed. Confusing? Only if you are an idiot.

Parum

Destinae · 01-12-2003, 04:12 AM

WHOA THAT IS ASTOUNDING LOGIC. Please stop posting stupid bard issues that aren't even issues here.

BirgittePovar · 01-12-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Parum
Think of it this way. Say Focus of the 7th (or virtue or tranquility) only worked, in, say, that crappy trial you do to get to TT's lair and 1 other place (lets say one of the HoHb trials). That would suck, right? That spell would need retuning, right? Because it would suck if that were the case, and if it were your class you would complain.

Now, lets think outside our own little classes and say bard charm only works in crappy zones nobody goes to, and in one other place... gasp we want it fixed. Confusing? Only if you are an idiot.

Parum

Gee, and no other class, anywhere, has spells like this do they? It's just you poor bards.

01-11-2003, 08:52 AM	#25 (permalink)
FurryCrew Middle Earth's Biggest Slacker Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 23 -1 Internets	Yet another person to add to the "please excomunicate from the bard class" list Holy F**king shit.....bards are finnaly getting to the point of not constantly bring broken or other annoyance values and he wants more nurfs! The dr00ds can have this guy as well __________________ "My face is my fortune...that's why I'm totally broke!"

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01-09-2003, 01:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
vtynofsaryrn Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3 +0 Internets	Let me share something with you. Something i have learned from playing a Necromancer for going on 3 years now: Enjoy what you have. Learn to use it in ways others have not thought of. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. In other words, be thankful you can charm at all. You want a higher level cap on your charm? Be prepared to never see it unless you can get a Glyphed Rune Word, pal. Because if your charm gets upped to 59 or 60, you're gonna be seeing it as level 65 song. You thought it was bad now, just wait until you get your fix and then all the Bards are crying. There are TONS of uses for the current Bard charms, just not in PoP. You are not an enchanter, you never will be. Accept it. You want to do CC for your group, go back to pre-PoP content. You want to play with the big kids and move up in the world, quit the bitch and get with the program. Vtyn Arch Lich Heaven and Earth

01-09-2003, 02:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
WarderX Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,593 +1 Internets	Do you actually play a bard or are you making this stuff up?

01-10-2003, 07:48 AM	#22 (permalink)
Benren Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 74 -1 Internets	You're a bard. Of course it's stupid to you. It was more of a "show me" type question. Bards themselves and those that group with bards heavily in raids, or have bard friends that they experience with, aside... do people actually know anything we can do beyond "Haste/mini-slow/DS/mana song"? I grouped with three members of my server's "uber", and they did not know I could lull. They refused to let me pull, in the face of not having much to do with an enchanter -and- a shaman in the party. When I was mezzing mobs around the zone-in in PoI, helping derail a train, because I was early for a dragon raid, I was asked if I was using Pixie Strike. There are two types of people when it comes to bards - those that know and those that don't. Some people have a very good idea of what it is we can do, or at least some of the things we can do. Monks, rogues, they have a good idea. Enchanters have a good idea. Our friends, they know. But there's a very large percentage of the EQ populace that still doesn't have the first clue about us. It's a cliched thing to say, and I wish it weren't true. There will be people following this post saying they know full well what it is we can do. But those people aren't the people that don't know, obviously. Of those ignorant folk, most know we can mez. When they're looking for a bard, they're looking for a mezzer. If we're put down the path where someone says to us, "You shouldn't CC anymore. It's not your job anymore.", then what's left? Some of us are okay, we group with our guildies on a regular basis, and they know. But what about those of us out there that are spending hours LFG already? To the people you're interacting with that don't know that much about bards, if you're not mezzing something, you're just a familair singing mana song.

01-10-2003, 08:14 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jaryn Waiting For Something Else™ Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Povar Posts: 84 -1 Internets	I never thought I'd see a player post something saying "nerf me please," but now after the "nerf bard's mana" and "nerf our charm ability" I don't know what to make of it.

01-10-2003, 08:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
Morphyous Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 402	This guy wanted bard mana songs nerfed right?

01-11-2003, 01:18 PM	#26 (permalink)
Benren Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 74 -1 Internets	I seriously hope that it's not me you're referring to as the "person that's trying to get bards nerfed". Because I'm pretty sure I'm showing my ass in an attempt to get someone to notice that bard charm is FUBARed and needs to be looked at and fixed in some manner.

01-11-2003, 02:38 PM	#27 (permalink)
Symp Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 23 -1 Internets	I can see where this thread is going. "Omg, some bard is asking for more power!! Quick, derail the thread!!" Look, the song that is in question is the top charm song that we receive. By the time you get it your grouping (if you group) in tier 3+ zones. Should it not be useable in the place your going to be fighting? If not then get rid of it and give us something that will be. What a concept eh? Yes, not everyone groups. Yes, it would have to be tuned to make it useful and not abuseable but either do one or the other (tune it or remove it). It's not a waste as it sits but it is a waste for the grouping bard tier3 and above. This isn't new news. I'm sure the only reason this has even been mentioned here is for visibility. I wouldn't doubt that Absor has already seen the threads on this on the bard boards and it's probably a waste of this message board's (not quite as elagant as furor would have put it).

01-12-2003, 03:59 AM	#28 (permalink)
Parum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 96 -1 Internets	Think of it this way. Say Focus of the 7th (or virtue or tranquility) only worked, in, say, that crappy trial you do to get to TT's lair and 1 other place (lets say one of the HoHb trials). That would suck, right? That spell would need retuning, right? Because it would suck if that were the case, and if it were your class you would complain. Now, lets think outside our own little classes and say bard charm only works in crappy zones nobody goes to, and in one other place... gasp we want it fixed. Confusing? Only if you are an idiot. Parum

01-12-2003, 04:12 AM	#29 (permalink)
Destinae Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 248 +0 Internets	WHOA THAT IS ASTOUNDING LOGIC. Please stop posting stupid bard issues that aren't even issues here.