Command of Druzzil exploit, fix?

Vikki · 01-08-2003, 08:38 PM

Well I can't really think of a way to say how the exploit needs to be fixed without saying how to do it, if you want me to edit out how to do it I will... But anyways after a guildie watched an enchanter solo a named in BoT it became pretty appearant how this works...

Basically if a mob is still charmed with Command of Druzzil and an Enchanter zones (or camps..), the charmed mob instantly regens to 100% hp, but the mob they are fighting doesn't, they can relog and recharm the mob with their pet back at full hit points and no real risk as long as they know where to camp.

Now this is very obviously an exploit or atleast a very bad bug and it needs to be fixed and it was pretty poor form hearing that people are intentionally taking advantage of this.

Asmadai · 01-08-2003, 08:48 PM

Off topic I know, but I have to ask:

In yer magelo, you show you have a Dark Elf Mask, yet i'm wondering how that is possible, since the Dark Elf Masks were removed way after you transfered/movelogged from Xegony...

Just curious.

sadre spinegnawer · 01-08-2003, 08:51 PM

Yes that was about as off topic as you can get....

sadre
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Vikki · 01-08-2003, 08:53 PM

Because I moved back before the $50 movelog was put in...

You couldn't PM me this? :P

Morphyous · 01-08-2003, 09:00 PM

So, um how do you propose we enchanters solo? Root dot/nuke? Wuwu can't, the mobs summon. Everything summons, stopping the summoning requires a pet or someone meleeing the mob.

For us to solo requires us to get charm. Don't say that everyone likes to always get into groups, charming adds danger to the encounter. If you don't believe it's dangerous, at least consider the amount of work an enchanter does to get aa's in total domination and other mastery in order to get that much more efficient in charming. The same applied for Dire charm, back then it was very powerful in KAEL, but you had to get 27 points in order to get dire charm. Why can't a ranger with archery solo with snare and root? Why can't a paladin solo undead with huge crits more easily with their slay undead? Why can't a warrior do some ae damage with earthquake and rampage?

Is it our fault that mobs hit for insane amounts and have high hitpoints? No. The level on charm must be high to allow us to solo with charm, and there is BOUND to be enchanters soloing bosses as a result. Charm isn't realiable 100% of the time, it sure is easier with snare, but the fact remains that it isn't dire charm. Get rid of that silly notion that an enchanter doesn't get squished when charm breaks. Charm break while fighting a boss mob will have both boss and pet summon you. No enchanter can survive that.

They cut the flow of spectral parchments in tiered zones like HOH and BOT, so I wouldn't worry about more enchanters soloing bosses. I personally don't have CoD.

Hmm, jealous still? Go level a 65 enchanter from scratch then.

Hurk · 01-08-2003, 09:04 PM

the better question is what dumbass at soe thought it would be cute to have charmed mobs heal full when the charmer leaves?

this was obviously intended to be a nice suprise for powerlevelers that would charm a mob and let it beat itself thin then zone to clear hte charm and let someone else get the kill on the now weak mob.

I love it when a cheesedick tactic backfires

elrich · 01-08-2003, 09:05 PM

i propose 'you enchanters' solo by not exploiting.

this is an exploit, even if its not as major as some in the game have been. You cant justify exploiting because VI made it harder to solo (for every class but enchanters, but thats off topic)

Morphyous · 01-08-2003, 09:17 PM

Fix the regen, don't blame us.

elrich · 01-08-2003, 09:21 PM

purposely using something thats obviously (and yes this is fucking obvious, you even admit it by saying 'fix it') an exploit is exploiting, so shut the fuck up.

yes, they need to fix the bug, but until then its Still exploiting to purposely use it.

"omg i duped my corpse 17 times! dont blame me its verants bug, they shouldve fixed it"

you sound so fucking stupid.

Morphyous · 01-08-2003, 09:33 PM

Yes, it's an exploit to gate and reset the pet. But enchanters that don't exploit are the ones that kill the boss with one pet.

elrich · 01-08-2003, 09:39 PM

then more power to them, farm it all you want until VI nerfs CoD.

but we arent talking about that in this thread either. so youre still fucking stupid.

Morphyous · 01-08-2003, 09:50 PM

I like how you repeat the same "you're so fucking stupid" phrase twice to make yourself all the more knowledgeable.

If you hadn't read my post clearly enough, I agree with you that exploiting is not right.

In your last post, you wanted CoD nerfed. Why? I've already explained that CoD is not the problem with soloing of those bosses. The problem is that the boss doesn't regen quick enough, allowing that exploit to be effective.

Vikki · 01-08-2003, 09:55 PM

Hey I don't care if Chanters can solo the stuff with one hasted pet.

However relogging to have a pet regen to full is an exploit, that's what needs to be fixed.

This isn't a "how CoD needs to be nerfed" thread, this is an "Enchatners are exploiting CoD" thread.

Suineg · 01-08-2003, 09:55 PM

Who said Enchanters should solo anyways?

Is every caster supposed to be able to solo?

Maybe that is what some people call 'class balancing' ?

elrich · 01-08-2003, 10:05 PM

i never said whether i wanted CoD nerfed or thought it should be. i really dont care.

i just said that it will be. big differance.

01-08-2003, 08:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Vikki Vikki Scores a critical hit!(121) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 104 -1 Internets	Command of Druzzil exploit, fix? Well I can't really think of a way to say how the exploit needs to be fixed without saying how to do it, if you want me to edit out how to do it I will... But anyways after a guildie watched an enchanter solo a named in BoT it became pretty appearant how this works... Basically if a mob is still charmed with Command of Druzzil and an Enchanter zones (or camps..), the charmed mob instantly regens to 100% hp, but the mob they are fighting doesn't, they can relog and recharm the mob with their pet back at full hit points and no real risk as long as they know where to camp. Now this is very obviously an exploit or atleast a very bad bug and it needs to be fixed and it was pretty poor form hearing that people are intentionally taking advantage of this. __________________ -Veliya, 60 Priest, Blessing - Lothar Server (http://ctprofiles.net/318483) -Dorius, 60 Hunter (Unguilded) - Black Dragonflight Server Last edited by Vikki : 01-08-2003 at 08:41 PM.

01-08-2003, 08:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Vikki Vikki Scores a critical hit!(121) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 104 -1 Internets	Because I moved back before the $50 movelog was put in... You couldn't PM me this? :P __________________ -Veliya, 60 Priest, Blessing - Lothar Server (http://ctprofiles.net/318483) -Dorius, 60 Hunter (Unguilded) - Black Dragonflight Server

01-08-2003, 09:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
Morphyous Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 335 -1 Internets	So, um how do you propose we enchanters solo? Root dot/nuke? Wuwu can't, the mobs summon. Everything summons, stopping the summoning requires a pet or someone meleeing the mob. For us to solo requires us to get charm. Don't say that everyone likes to always get into groups, charming adds danger to the encounter. If you don't believe it's dangerous, at least consider the amount of work an enchanter does to get aa's in total domination and other mastery in order to get that much more efficient in charming. The same applied for Dire charm, back then it was very powerful in KAEL, but you had to get 27 points in order to get dire charm. Why can't a ranger with archery solo with snare and root? Why can't a paladin solo undead with huge crits more easily with their slay undead? Why can't a warrior do some ae damage with earthquake and rampage? Is it our fault that mobs hit for insane amounts and have high hitpoints? No. The level on charm must be high to allow us to solo with charm, and there is BOUND to be enchanters soloing bosses as a result. Charm isn't realiable 100% of the time, it sure is easier with snare, but the fact remains that it isn't dire charm. Get rid of that silly notion that an enchanter doesn't get squished when charm breaks. Charm break while fighting a boss mob will have both boss and pet summon you. No enchanter can survive that. They cut the flow of spectral parchments in tiered zones like HOH and BOT, so I wouldn't worry about more enchanters soloing bosses. I personally don't have CoD. Hmm, jealous still? Go level a 65 enchanter from scratch then. Last edited by Morphyous : 01-08-2003 at 09:11 PM.

01-08-2003, 09:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Vikki Vikki Scores a critical hit!(121) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 104 -1 Internets	Hey I don't care if Chanters can solo the stuff with one hasted pet. However relogging to have a pet regen to full is an exploit, that's what needs to be fixed. This isn't a "how CoD needs to be nerfed" thread, this is an "Enchatners are exploiting CoD" thread. __________________ -Veliya, 60 Priest, Blessing - Lothar Server (http://ctprofiles.net/318483) -Dorius, 60 Hunter (Unguilded) - Black Dragonflight Server

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01-08-2003, 08:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Asmadai Monolith - Area 52 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sealab Posts: 2,239	Off topic I know, but I have to ask: In yer magelo, you show you have a Dark Elf Mask, yet i'm wondering how that is possible, since the Dark Elf Masks were removed way after you transfered/movelogged from Xegony... Just curious.

01-08-2003, 08:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
sadre spinegnawer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 39 -1 Internets	Yes that was about as off topic as you can get.... sadre wraith guild quellious

01-08-2003, 09:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hurk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 64 -1 Internets	the better question is what dumbass at soe thought it would be cute to have charmed mobs heal full when the charmer leaves? this was obviously intended to be a nice suprise for powerlevelers that would charm a mob and let it beat itself thin then zone to clear hte charm and let someone else get the kill on the now weak mob. I love it when a cheesedick tactic backfires

01-08-2003, 09:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
elrich Jackass Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 944 -1 Internets	i propose 'you enchanters' solo by not exploiting. this is an exploit, even if its not as major as some in the game have been. You cant justify exploiting because VI made it harder to solo (for every class but enchanters, but thats off topic)

01-08-2003, 09:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
Morphyous Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 335 -1 Internets	Fix the regen, don't blame us.

01-08-2003, 09:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
elrich Jackass Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 944 -1 Internets	purposely using something thats obviously (and yes this is fucking obvious, you even admit it by saying 'fix it') an exploit is exploiting, so shut the fuck up. yes, they need to fix the bug, but until then its Still exploiting to purposely use it. "omg i duped my corpse 17 times! dont blame me its verants bug, they shouldve fixed it" you sound so fucking stupid.

01-08-2003, 09:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Morphyous Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 335 -1 Internets	Yes, it's an exploit to gate and reset the pet. But enchanters that don't exploit are the ones that kill the boss with one pet.

01-08-2003, 09:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
elrich Jackass Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 944 -1 Internets	then more power to them, farm it all you want until VI nerfs CoD. but we arent talking about that in this thread either. so youre still fucking stupid.

01-08-2003, 09:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
Morphyous Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 335 -1 Internets	I like how you repeat the same "you're so fucking stupid" phrase twice to make yourself all the more knowledgeable. If you hadn't read my post clearly enough, I agree with you that exploiting is not right. In your last post, you wanted CoD nerfed. Why? I've already explained that CoD is not the problem with soloing of those bosses. The problem is that the boss doesn't regen quick enough, allowing that exploit to be effective.

01-08-2003, 09:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
Suineg Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,746 -8 Internets	Who said Enchanters should solo anyways? Is every caster supposed to be able to solo? Maybe that is what some people call 'class balancing' ?

01-08-2003, 10:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
elrich Jackass Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 944 -1 Internets	i never said whether i wanted CoD nerfed or thought it should be. i really dont care. i just said that it will be. big differance.