PoP = The Death of the casual/semi-casual player

[Frodlin7th]

Rthen,

You talk abotu class balance being an important issue, but you display EXTREME ignorance when it comes to the current situation in class balancing, particularly in terms of grouping in PoP.

Warriors are not only NOT the "preferred tank" in experience groups, they're becoming a novelty to dust off when it's time to raid. Paladins and Shadowknights are currently the tanks of choice in PoP experience groups at the cost of warriors, due to aggro control issues and a lack of mitigation difference between warriors and knights.

[gn0me]

Good work Rthen, you provided massively edited and easily faked logs of an event from 2 years ago. That should clear your name!

What's funny is, you are the one that refused to investigate claims by many people on Saryrn that Scartak had ninja looted items on multiple occasions. You flat out refused to even acknowledge the matter when clearly there was a problem. In fact, you often thumbed your nose at the entire community whenever there was an issue that needed addressing. This was your poor choice of action that led to the first tarnishment of your rep on Saryrn and you did it all to yourself.

People on Saryrn didn't start hating you because of your 'views on the mage class' or the fact that you are a 'casual player stuck in an uber guild's world' or whatever other bullshit you might spew. People hated you because you often chose non-action in situations where action was clearly required. Your failure to take control of your out of control guild resulted in Saryrn hating you. Instead of taking responsibility, you make up wild stories about guild-wide consipiricies to tarnish your name, people hassling you in real life, etc.

It is amusing that these same problems have magically followed you to $tormhammer! See, it's not the people on Saryrn's fault at all. The fact of the matter is, you are a stupid motherfucker that wants to blame your problems on everyone but yourself.

[Rthen]

I just don't see that. Again my opinion. Different servers = different cultures.

[SalTheBard]

Rthen if anyone in my old guild would've ninja'ed something my guild leader would've taken action. That "This will be discussed on the Guild Message board" stuff is a bunch of crap. I know when my Selos Drums of The March got Ninja looted I was fuckin pissed and I petitoned the GM's and I talked to the guys guild and boy was his guild leader pissed. They disbanded the fool and I got my drums back. I also have reason to belive that the GM's took action against him as well. I fucking hate ninja looters.

Because I'm not nor will I probably ever be flagged for any tier 2 stuff I have some questions. You say enchaters are needed, aren't Bards an acceptable Chanter replacment? Also someone said about forming groups of the LFG's thats how I get most of my groups, someone will shoot me a tell and say "Hey Bard come here." and then bang I'm in a group w/ a Bst, Pal, Sk, Necro, Shammy, and a Druid and boy do we pound out the XP. The "Holy Trinity" is bullshit. So many classes can perform other classes rolls acceptably. I'm a casual gamer and I can tell you I could give 2 shits and a fuck about "the ideal group" or what my DPS is.

[Rthen]

"Good work Rthen, you provided massively edited and easily faked logs of an event from 2 years ago. That should clear your name!"

I'm not looking to clear my name. I coudl easily post under a message board handle that has no link to my in game handle. I choose not to and therefore I will run the risk of in game problems due to how people react to my posts.

I don't care what my rep is. I'm simply offering up the conversation that started the rep. Yes its a edited log. I did not think it wise to reveal the screen names of the guilty without their permission or to post the profanity that was present in the log.


"What's funny is, you are the one that refused to investigate claims by many people on Saryrn that Scartak had ninja looted items on multiple occasions."

Untrue. This was investigated. I had 40 or 50 people flamming me and telling me to remove him and pay the 20k and I had 10 or 20 people telling me (some publiclly) that it was a stupid scam to get a few laughs off my expense and a little plat.


"You flat out refused to even acknowledge the matter when clearly there was a problem."

I tried to ignore the flames.

"In fact, you often thumbed your nose at the entire community whenever there was an issue that needed addressing. This was your poor choice of action that led to the first tarnishment of your rep on Saryrn and you did it all to yourself."

The community is run by a small loose cartel of guilds. If any of the power brokers there demands somehting of you or flames a post you make you dare not go against their will.. if you do you become black listed. I basiclly told them to stick it..

This was the one and only incident I had before I was "blacklisted". A small guild with barely 3 groups of planer leveled folks at the time should be of no concern to a massive community. Aparently the power brokers were bored and needed somehtign to chew on. I should have bit my touge and ignore the entire incident and the flames. I did not and I was branded for that.

The GL in question never got his extortion money and has since quit the game after his guild failed and was reborn. That was satisfaction enough. As I see it I never compromised my intgrity.

3 months after the incident the member in question was removed from the guild. We did it after we were sure he was responsible. I felt that he was either 1. Responsible for the Ninja, or 2. Party to a scheme to extort plat from me and an ebayed account of somone in the other guild.

"People on Saryrn didn't start hating you because of your 'views on the mage class'"

Funny every post I made on magicians tower has been e-mailed back to me by people on Saryrn who "hate" me. I have been blamed for all sorts of nerfs to all sorts of classes by 16 year old social inepts that need serious help.

"or the fact that you are a 'casual player stuck in an uber guild's world' or whatever other bullshit you might spew."

Saryrn was and is controled by a tiny few guilds. They seldom recruit and folks are forced to just deal with that. I would love to see Saryrn turned into a PvP server for just 1 day. The resulting fights would be legendary. There is that much hate between the top guilds and between the bottom guilds and 70% of the server and the top guilds.

" People hated you because you often chose non-action in situations where action was clearly required."

Avoiding flames in 1 situation.. that is what you speak of.. I tried to avoid the flames and make a honest decision where there was no evidence to support either side.

I think its a bit retarded to be viewed by that one decision for all time. However I also think that Saryrn is one of the worst servers to ever be a part of.

"Your failure to take control of your out of control guild resulted in Saryrn hating you. Instead of taking responsibility"

", you make up wild stories about guild-wide consipiricies to tarnish your name, people hassling you in real life, etc."

Fact - Somone from that "other guild" showed up at my home. 1.5 years ago. He managed to get my address from information on my ezboard account.

Fact - I was "blacklisted" by the community for the issues revolving around Scartak. I refused to deguild the individual until I was sure about the incident. I refused to pay any plat for an incident I was not involved with.

"It is amusing that these same problems have magically followed you to $tormhammer! See, it's not the people on Saryrn's fault at all. The fact of the matter is, you are a stupid motherfucker that wants to blame your problems on everyone but yourself."

Stormhammers challanages are different, my issues there involved the fact that member turnover is to high on the server to effectively run a guild. I lack the time and skill to run a guild in that enviornment. A place where you could loose 10 of your best people each month and recruit 10 more because people use the place to farm their epics and gear.

The fact of the matter is Saryrn sucks as a community and Stormhammer just needs tighter character movement restrictions.

[Rthen]

"Rthen if anyone in my old guild would've ninja'ed something my guild leader would've taken action. That "This will be discussed on the Guild Message board" stuff is a bunch of crap."


Consider this:

1. No one in my guild was present in KC (besides the member in question) at the time fo the supposed "Ninja".
2. When the GM alerted me to the petition I was told there was no evidence the item was "ninjaed".
3. Some members fromt he other guild indicated it was not ninjaed just not communicated well between their guild memebrs and their guidl leader.
4. Some players that were present (but in a 3rd guild not involved) indicated that Scartak was at the time a recruit of the guild in question. Therefore he was plannign to leave my guild anyways.

As for Scartak he denied it was a ninja.

After some research I decided that:

1. Scartak Ninjaed the item

or more likely:

2. Scartak was an ebayed account, the owner owned another account int he guild in question and set this incident up to epic his e-bayed monk. I feel that the GL of the guild in question had knowledge of this.

When I see no clear consencus I take my time especially when half the server decided to immediatly start flammign me like 3 year olds fighting over ice cream.


"I know when my Selos Drums of The March got Ninja looted I was fuckin pissed and I petitoned the GM's and I talked to the guys guild and boy was his guild leader pissed. They disbanded the fool and I got my drums back. I also have reason to belive that the GM's took action against him as well. I fucking hate ninja looters."

Without proof its hard to make decisions wihtout compromising your integrity. Seems to me most people don't give a fuck abotu integrity.

If the community posted the facts and did not flamge the shit out of me, train me, ks my camps, and make my life hell I would have removed Scartak that day for the incident. I could not prove the incident but raiding with another guild was at the time not allowed without speaking to me first. he broke that rule and should have been removed for that.

I did not remove him for that because i did not appreciate the harrassment. I had spent over a year of time before that working on my enchanter on another server. I was not a noob to the game and all that was goign on stunk of a setup/extortion attempt by some petty 3rd rate asshole.

[gn0me]

Originally posted by Rthen
The community is run by a small loose cartel of guilds. If any of the power brokers there demands somehting of you or flames a post you make you dare not go against their will.. if you do you become black listed. I basiclly told them to stick it..

Originally posted by Rthen
Saryrn was and is controled by a tiny few guilds. They seldom recruit and folks are forced to just deal with that. I would love to see Saryrn turned into a PvP server for just 1 day. The resulting fights would be legendary. There is that much hate between the top guilds and between the bottom guilds and 70% of the server and the top guilds.

This is another example of you blaming your inabilities on those around you. Saryrn is not "controlled" by a tiny few guilds. How you allowed anyone to place control over you ingame is beyond me. All top guilds on Saryrn have had open recruitment since its existence. You can just as easily get into Heaven and Earth as you can Order of the Phoenix or even fucking Ted Club. You just have to be willing to play the game and not act like a whiny bitch ass. Sadly, as a mage, one of the most desired classes in EQ, you could accomplish neither. I agree that there is a lot of hate on that server, but there is on all servers with 3+ years of history. You can't blame anything on anyone but yourself.

[Darkuwa]

rthen your posts have been logically shot down one by one. you have contradicted yourself more then the christian bible. you need to shut up and realize you have lost. the reason you cannot get a group is because your whine not cause of sony screwin up your class. you will most likely never get a group again thanks to this post so go back to your server and never bother these boards again.

[Rthen]

"This is another example of you blaming your inabilities on those around you."

Not at all. I am not claiming to be an EQ expert. I would never fit in where I was required to raid daily for 8 hours a day. I have a job.. I need to work to pay the bills.. etc.

My point is that Saryrn is especially locked up in regards to level 60+ content.

"Saryrn is not "controlled" by a tiny few guilds. How you allowed anyone to place control over you ingame is beyond me."

Ok then, if you don't want to be part of or cannot get into HnE or OOP.. or TWC, or DW.. where might I ask will you go? Going to start your own guild? Good luck. Saryrn is controled by a few guilds. Guilds that form and try to move up will have problems. Its like that on most servers. I have played on 3 servers and Saryrn seems to be the worst in this regard. There is not cooperation or very little of it. People activly look to fuck with you and destroy you if your competition.

"All top guilds on Saryrn have had open recruitment since its existence."

You need to basiclly kiss way too much ass and.. well thats not me. Is it you? Some classes are just not wanted. Care to talk about that?

"You can just as easily get into Heaven and Earth as you can Order of the Phoenix or even fucking Ted Club. You just have to be willing to play the game and not act like a whiny bitch ass."

Unlike most other servers you need to kiss a tremendous amount of ass. Seems many fo the old timers are still sore about "having to leave Veeshan". You want to knwo how many assholes on Saryrn complained about that? Said I could not understand the pain they went htough on Veeshan and thats why they treat peopel like shit. Excuse me .. thats one lame ass excuse they had.

"Sadly, as a mage, one of the most desired classes in EQ, you can accomplish neither."

You do not know me.

"I agree that there is a lot of hate on that server, but there is on all servers with 3+ years of history. You can't blame anything on anyone but yourself."

Yeah I should have moved naked to another server and all this would have been a faded memory. No I did not.. I stood up to the bully and in the end I got fucked.

Whatever.. you picked the right buttons to push to get me off topic.. thanks all.

Move this to the fucking rickshaw.

[Yanny]

I am grouped up in PoV within minutes of logging in as a Mage. I play maybe 3-4 hours Monday-Friday, and 2 or 3 hours a day on weekends.

The trick? Don't be a dumbass. There are a million ways to put a group together.

Just don't stick to the idea of "Must have Warrior-Cleric-Slower....". Just don't be so conventional and you'll find yourself gaining experience as fast or faster than a Holy Trinity group.

For example..

6 Pet Classes can easily outpace a Holy Trinity group. In a pinch, you can switch out 2 or 3 pet classes for healers or melees. Beastlords can cover slows, Necros heals (w/ group taps, don't too great but hell, you won't take much damage), Enchanters can.. well destroy things with CoD. Clerics can heal, buff, and send in their little one shot pet thingy for damage, or *gasp* even nuke.

Thats just 1 example of a good group. If your up to the point where you can no longer solo, you better of made a good group of friends you can group with. Or your guild, it doesn't take an uber guild to exp in PoV/PoS.

Rthen, I know your a mage. Try Frenzy Kiting with the 62 water. I can solo pretty efficiently (while waiting for a group) against anything another kiter can solo. Just fire off those FoTs enough to keep aggro.

[Meak]

Yes this is Meak. Yes im the biggest asshole on my server. Yes the Whore Council hates me. Yes im gonna get spammed for this.

Now to the meat of the issue.

I was an officer a few years ago in Rthens " guild. " I cannot tell you how many times me and fellow officers watched rthens wife come online and explain that she had to turn the computer off, cause Rthen had passed out drunk at his computer, sometimes WHILE LEADING A FUCKING RAID! Ever seen 35 people in Plane of Hate standing around wondering why the raid leader is ignoring them? Its kinda funny in hindsight.
You have to understand that Rthens problems extend WAY beyond being an asshole. I mean i am an arrogant, elitist, self absorbed cock, yet i find groups every day i play. Why? Cause unlike Rthen, i dont feel the need to verbally ostrazie myself from everyone in my zone, all day every day. Granted weve all made mistakes learning EQ, but the big Rth has to take it to a whole nother lvl.
He thrives on this conspiracy thing, even going so far as to blame someone from Saryrn for " showing up at his door in real life, rdy to fight or some shit."
Id just like to reaffirm to you Rthen, just so you know, that yes we did blacklist you from the Saryrn community. As a matter of fact, we blacklisted all mages. We had a giant server wide meeting, didnt invite you or any other mage, and have deemed them unworthy of our uberness. We are tired of the mage community sucking up ex points, contributing nothing and then have the balls to ask for loot at raids.
Heres another something for you cockmaster: just so you know, theres way more than a "few" end game guilds on Saryrn. I can count 10 guilds capable of killing ALMOST every mob in the game nowadays. Maybe you should get some info before you open you dickbox.
To those of you reading this, know that Rthen is a compulsive liar, a scoundrel and a cheat. We finally got rid of him on our message boards and in game by actually ignoring him on a server wide basis. As much as Rthen would like for you to believe, there was no server wide blacklist. If your a dumb ass with a big mouth who cant play his toon, you dont get groups.
Im thinking maybe Rthen is having the same problems on SH as Saryrn.
Maybe before flapping your cockbox Rthen, and making yourself look retarded every single time you do, you should just go see a shrink, and hit up a couple AA meetings.
Or do you ostrasize yourself from all you real life community too?
Hmmmmmm...... Something to think about.
By the way, tell your wife Meak said HI! She was always really sweet when i spoke to her, seemed real nice.

And, as alast comment, if you really really want a real life encounter, email me.Ill send my address.

Meak Faithhammer, Venerable High Priest
Meakss Faithhammer, Venerable Phantasmist
Assorted other post 58 alts

[Rthen]

Ah yes Meak. I guess we have still not learned to use paragraphs. You were the moron that whined endlessly about any decision made that did not somehow benefit you.

Compulsive liar? I think you need to examine some of the crap you spewed in game.

You spent a good portion of your EQ time training folks in velks before you finally quit the game.

The scary part is I had people warning me about you when we were guilded. About how you had a habbit of trying to bring disputes into real life. And how you caused disputes when things did not go your way. Well no surprise they were right.

Sick fuck... I wonder how many anon board troll accounts you have here and on the tavern.

Looking back on it yeah.. I would pay 40 bucks a month to stay on Stormhammer just to get away from freaks like you.

[Rthen]

"He thrives on this conspiracy thing, even going so far as to blame someone from Saryrn for " showing up at his door in real life, rdy to fight or some shit.""


Another piece of info someone gave me was that the guy that did show up at my door and had to be escorted away by the police was most likely you.

/shrug I dunno, I really don't give a fuck who it was. If it was you then the times and dates would be off since the incident with scartak was more then half a year before I knew of you.

I have to admit though you do seem a bit unbalanced.

Now I am going to ask all of you that seem to give such a shit about flaming me a favor. Go to the Saryrn's tavern and post there. This shit has nothign to do with EQ it has to do with unbalanced fucks trying hard to fuck with somone that decided not to give in to extortion, black-male, and harrassment. YOu want to fuck with me then do it on Saryrn's Tavern.

Leave the FoH boards alone.

Now I will do the mature thing and let you all have your last words and make yourselves look like even bigger jackasses then me.

Thanks so much for hijacking and fucking a class balance thread.

[gn0me]

Don't kid yourself Rthen, this thread was rickshaw worthy from the very start.

[Meak]

Let me clear something up Rthen. If i showed up on your doorstep, everyone would have known about it, cause youd have whined endlessly on the tavern about how a giant 6'3" 250 pound heavily tattooed bald guy kicked in your front door, beat you whining ass, then carved Meak in your forehead while you cried like a girl.
I got better shit to do, then waste time even figuring out where you live, let alone journeying there.
You got my email. Make the journey, i wont dissapoint you.
Otherwise take your "supposed" uber necro twink, and disapear into exile.
No one has, will, or is currently caring about you.

Meak Faithhammer
Meakss Faithammer
Porn Star, Cock Model

PS: was fun visiting the old Rthen trashing boards, but im done with it now. I think Ill go raid Ntov with my guild. Ever seen inside Ntov? Didnt think so.