PoP = The Death of the casual/semi-casual player

[Iannis]

Originally posted by Ainmer
Necros blow every other class out of the water soloing. Take your garden variety 65 necro, hand them undead charm, send him to CoD, and watch him get an AA every 15 minutes. Necros own all else soloing.

Which makes one wonder why a class that has the ability to Feign Death, Harmshield, and ToM (can crit a 3k heal in 1.8 seconds for 450 mana) has the ability to charm.

i'll hop in to defend them before the flaming starts...because they were placed into the position of 'nutsucking manastones' for a very long time. my necro bud who played one through classic and kunark rerolled as a rogue because the necs sucked so much by the time velious rolled in..heh.
"NOW XFER ME SOME MANA, BITCH!"

[Eisai]

Originally posted by Rthen


Burn my house down?

lol

That's funny? live in a hole in the dirt or something?



You obviously aren't liked. That is why you cannot get a group. You can't play your class or you annoy your group with constant whinning about this and that in the world that noone fucking gives a shit about. I tell people I'll murder their babies and eat their fucking pets and still get 8-10 points a day... You sir, should play tetris. It's geared to your abilities and play time.

[Rthen]

"That's funny? live in a hole in the dirt or something"

Yeah it is funny. I would suggest you don't take this to the real world. For your protection and safty. Take your best shot though. I need some amusement


"You obviously aren't liked. That is why you cannot get a group."

Liked, Loved, Hated.. makes no difference in PoP. Groups MUST have a Slower and groups MUST have a healer (preferably a cleric). Groups also MUST have a tank (preferable a Warrior.. they just do it better.. have more hps.. better gear.. etc).

There are a few spots that any class can full. SoE insured that groups must follow this strucvture for maximum experience. Casual and not so casual players know this.

"You can't play your class or you annoy your group with constant whinning about this and that in the world that noone fucking gives a shit about."


Not true. Thats simply not true.


" I tell people I'll murder their babies and eat their fucking pets and still get 8-10 points a day... You sir, should play tetris. It's geared to your abilities and play time."

You are just a troll or perhaps SoE has a new legion of fanboys that they just cloned and manufactured. Fanboy Shock Troops?

[Strikan]

Aren't you guys tired of this death of the casual gamer discussion? It happens every expansion and everytime time proves you wrong.

Dumbest conversation i've ever seen, and it keeps coming up again and again.

[miir]

Groups MUST have a Slower

Shaman, Ench or Bst fit that role.


groups MUST have a healer

Cleric, Druid Shaman.


Groups also MUST have a tank (preferable a Warrior.. they just do it better.. have more hps.. better gear.. etc)

Good god man, don't you pay attention?
Paladins or Shadowknights are just as good (better in some cases) a tank as a warrior. They hold aggro better, pull better and have more utility than a warrior.




There are a few spots that any class can full

The 'DPS' spots.
Wizard, Necro, Rogue, Ranger, Mage... whoever.



SoE insured that groups must follow this strucvture for maximum experience. Casual and not so casual players know this.

Why do you have such a hard time getting it though your thick head. Powergamers obsess about DPS and max XP... casual players do not.
You sound like a wannabe powergamer who doesn't have enough free time.



I think Eisai hit the nail on the head.
You're a whiner with a shitty attitude.
That's probably why people don't group with you.

Even my gimpy level 57 Paladin with mediocre gear gets tier 2 groups pretty damn easily. I just started playing again a few weeks back and eventhough most of the 55+ players dont know or remember me, I still get invites.
Is your reputation so bad that people avoid grouping with you?
Yeah, I think that's probably the case.
Either that or you leveled up opn ebay.

[Eisai]

heh.. /shiver Rthen.. I bet you're 7'1 and 310 pounds of solid muscle.. bet you work in gay porn too. I could care less about your "real world", EQ is my world. Read the disclaimer, it's for people like you~ So tell me why mages are the most desired group dps in the game atm and you still cannot get any xp? You may not know it but people must not like you. It's the only answer..

If you are looking for a warrior as your MT in a xp group you know jack shit about EQ. The only Warriors worth a shit in xp groups are dual weilding EB weapons in their guild only group in teir 3 planes.

[LISeru]

Just get to low hp agro level, pull a single mob, run around for about 15 minutes.

Mob dies, you get exp. Its a viable tactic if you are completely gimp and can't think of another.

[gn0me]

Originally posted by miir
Is your reputation so bad that people avoid grouping with you?
Yeah, I think that's probably the case. Either that or you leveled up opn ebay.

Rthen's reputation is that bad. After completely trashing his reputation on Saryrn by defending a guild of ninja looters and fagots he was in charge of he fled to $tormhammer to start fresh. He claimed he left Saryrn because he was being 'persecuted' for his ideas on the Mage class (lol) and it resulted in real life harassment (double lol). He is so fucking paranoid he thought an entire guild was conspiring against him to make his real life a living hell (not that it probably isn't already). In actuality, he left because he was a whiny bitch ass that was universally hated because of his poor attitude and actions.

I'm sure some of our resident $tormhammer posters can fill in the drama he's caused on that server.

[Eisai]

ahhh hahahaha

[Rthen]

/w ma 65 all



Some stats on numbers od different level 65 classes online (Stormhammer, for 2 nights ago):

was 9pm EST, 7 were online, 2 lfgs 5 on raids.

2 Beastlords, no lfgs in arena
8 Rangers, no lfgs
10 Pallys, 1 lfg
11 necromancers, no lfgs
13 bards, no lfgs
18 Wizards, no lfgs
19 Shadowknights, 3 lfgs
Too many to count Warriors
Too many to count Clerics
Too many to count Rogues
Too many to count Monks
Too many to count Druids
Too many to count Enchanters
Too many to count Shaman

Somehow I think the damage has been done. Your right. its pointless to contuinue complaining. This is SoE's game and aparently some classes were not ment to progress in AA post 65.

I know the plight mages have.. and necros.. its not just me. Guild or not-guilded finding a group for them is tough. Other classes have problems with finding a group spot as well but not nearly has bad a problem.

Call me names all you want the facts are easy to prove.

[Falidaar Lifegiver]

In the first post, the statement about most players being casual is pretty funny when SoE has said for at least 2 years now that the AVERAGE player spends 20 hours a week online. That, my friends, is not casual. Are those players in guilds that can even do the teir 1 pop bosses, probably not, but that doesn't change the fact they spend a lot of time playing.

I've been so surprised about all the statements concerning getting level 65 and it meaning they cant get exp anymore. Do you realize the advantage of getting level 65 for your guild? If you are still working thru NToV, then make that a goal. You dont have to be killing off the latest PoP mobs to get good gear and learn to work together as a guild. Get your guild to 65 and you can just romp thru NToV, Ssra Temple. The gear upgrades will then help you to progress into PoP further.

[miir]

Call me names all you want the facts are easy to prove.


OK, I'll call you a fuckbucket and an assclown.

You have proven nothing.
And it's pretty freaking amazing that you had some convenient '/who all' facts that you allegedly logged 2 nights ago.

Even if your facts are legit, you can't take a single random sample from 1 server as factual evidence to support a whine. There are too many unknowns and variables... and §tormhammer is not a typical server.

Maybe if you had made a graph or a chart.....



Anyway, if even a portion of what gn0me said about you is true, I'm not at all surpried that you are so bitter and whiney.

[Rthen]

"Rthen's reputation is that bad. After completely trashing his reputation on Saryrn by defending a guild of ninja looters and fagots he was in charge of he fled to $tormhammer to start fresh. He claimed he left Saryrn because he was being 'persecuted' for his ideas on the Mage class (lol) and it resulted in real life harassment (double lol). He is so fucking paranoid he thought an entire guild was conspiring against him to make his real life a living hell (not that it probably isn't already). In actuality, he left because he was a whiny bitch ass that was universally hated because of his poor attitude and actions. "


Before I respond, I would like to point out that people that do not hide behind fake message board handles tend to have to pay with their in game popularity for posting options others do not agree with. This is attrributed to human nature and the fact that we have a long way to go to becoming more then slaves to the "herd" mentaility.


"Actions"? Odd I never violated any PnP rule.. I also respected "camps" and tried hard never to train a zone line. No it was most defintly the fact I would not bend over to the Cartel of guilds that runs the place. I was quite happy minding my own mid-level gamers experience when suddenly the community came to me and said "deguild so and so.. now or you will be blacklisted". In fact I have a log of somone saying just that.


Saryrn was an interesting server aparently the cartel that runs it expects you to imeediatly do whatever they want or face blacklisting. They also were not interested in hearing about opinions on anything that differed from their own.

I never deguilded anyone wihtout some sort of process/procedure unless the activity was observed by an officer or member and could be substainated.

Opinions are a dangeorus thing. Unless your willing to be hated its best not to voice them too strongly. I have bene nothing but kind and generous in game to folks. If my opinions are reason enough to blacklist me please do so. I would rather be LFG permanently and maintain my integrity.

[Korona]

This is, sub rosa, a mage whine about not being able to chain modrods to solo.

There are a zillion group combinations that work in different areas of POP -- just get 2 or 3 people (of mixed classes) and adapt to wherever you want to go.

[Rthen]

This is the conversation that started me on my road to becoming one of the most hated and dispised players on Saryrn. I never broke even 1 PnP rule nor was I unkind to anyone in game. I find it amusing. I was clerly being extorted for what was for me at the time a tremendous amount of plat.

The person in question kept the ball PR rolling long enough to insure it would create a life of its own. I am also responsible for continuing to respond to the community board flames. My bad.

Because I am a nice guy I edited out the names of the guilty and the OOC, Guild Chat, and Say chat.

At the time they were full of profanities and I was being trained by said guild's members to add pressure to the extortion.

I stripped out the crap and reformatted it to fit the post neatly.

At the time of this chat I was level 55, this is around 2 years ago:


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: "Has the GM spoken to you?"
Rthen: "Yes"
: "So we will resolve this dispute between us then?"
Rthen: "Dispute?, I'm soloing Spriocs in TD. I don't see you in TD so I will assume the last train of watchers and lightfoots was not caused by you. We have no dispute between us."
: "No the dispute in KC asshole, a guild member of yours Ninjaed something of value"
Rthen: "This will be handled on my guild's message board, we will evaluate the situation and take action against the member in question if we feel we should. The GM said there was inconclusive evidence."
: "I do not have time for that, to resolve this issue the payment of 20k plat and the removal of from your guild is required and not negotiable."
Rthen: "Well that is absurd, by the way no one seems to have any logs or screenshots."
Rthen: "I also have received a tell saying he was a recruit of yours at the time, seems to me he's guild shopping anyways"
: "Prove it."
Rthen: "is this black-male?"
: "Hardly, its due payment for the infraction against my guild. Its up to you, don't do this and I can guarantee you will be blacklisted"
: "This is your fault and your responsibility"
Rthen: "Sounds to me like extortion, I was not present and I have conflicting reports from some of your guildmembers involving this incident. I can tell you this much I am not paying you or anyone any plat."
: "You will, you just don't know it yet"
Rthen: "I don't fall for setups like this, your not getting a dime from me."
: I am taking this to the tavern, welcome to hell. You did this to yourself.
Rthen: /shrug, whatever. Welcome to ignore.