Elemental Melee/Hybrid Armor effects...

Sean · 01-07-2003, 12:02 PM

Why does it seem that absolutely no thought was put into them? They're down right awful. Now, I know you guys said you're looking at them, but no ones bitched yet, so I guess I'll have to.

Melee/Hybrid Arms: Effect Regeneration (worn). Why? This effect is horrible, especially with the innate regen cap. This effect should be Aura of Daring, which is 20 atk 2 regen. This falls way more in line with the other pieces as well. Bracers? Vengeance 3 (15 Atk). Boots? Vengeance 5 (25 atk). Gloves? Aura of Bravery (30 Atk 3 regen). Sorry, but no Rogue, Monk, Ranger, ect is going to use an item with effect "Regeneration" over their arms from Luclin that have Atk on them. Please make this more in-line with the other pieces.

Hybrid Boots: Why do they have Flowing Thought 5 when Melee have Vengeance 5? That is just ridiculous. They should also be V5, the Ranger ones at least (Atk >>>> Mana Regen at the point in the game where you will get these items). No ones made hybrid gloves yet, I seriously hope they're Aura of Bravery like the Melee ones are heh, and not some insane difference like the melee/hybrid boots.

Now, for the really big offenders:

Breast Plates and legs. Spirit of Predator on Ranger legs (with an 8 second cast time at that)? Cloak of Luclin on the SK legs? come on.

The legs should have Aura of Valor on them, 40 Atk 4 regen. If you're absolutely set on having an inane right-click on them, make Aura of Valor a "focus" effect on the legs and have some "useful" right-click on them as well.

Breastplates: Right click Avatar on the melee bps (and the one that counts toward the innate atk cap at that) and things like Brells on the Paladin bp? Is this some kind of joke? I hope it is. The BPs should be done along the same lines as my idea for the legs, except they should have Aura of Resolution for the "focus" effect (50 atk 5 regen) and some useful right click.

Please consider these ideas when you look over these effects, as you said you are doing. Currently some of these effects really aren't as good as they should be.

Momerath · 01-07-2003, 12:12 PM

agree wholeheartedly, especially on the legs and breastplates

Mallagin · 01-07-2003, 12:21 PM

hah -- when i saw legs i laughed... then cried

Cloak of Luclin? ...................... hello? rarely have i seen sk's use there self only buff since paladin buff is usefull 10x more often then it

Spirit of Predator ................ haha no?

Kraks · 01-07-2003, 12:36 PM

Yeah, everyone should have the same things.

While you're at it SOE, make Goldenrod Warrior equippable.

This is the "it isn't fair" logic, which doesn't work. Some classes will get better stuff than others. Just get over it.

Edit: And honestly, noone has any clue what is beyond the elemental planes as far as eqiupment progression. Don't just a corner if you can't see the entire picture.

Sean · 01-07-2003, 12:42 PM

Get over what? All the Breast Plate effects totally suck and are ridiculous. No one has anything better than anothere here, they all downright suck. Same with the legs, though the warrior's effect is "decent", the rest are worthless.

Do yourself a favor and get a clue, thanks.

DcDohl · 01-07-2003, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Kraks
Some classes will get better stuff than others. Just get over it.

This is how class imbalances start. Nip it at the bud please.

Kraks · 01-07-2003, 12:45 PM

Its SOE's game. Its their items that they populate in their database. The effects aren't really that bad. They are typically situational, which is what I'm sure they were aiming for.

Again, just wait and see.

Candiarie · 01-07-2003, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sean
Do yourself a favor and get a clue, thanks.

gotta love the fine sportsmanship (flaming) by FoH members

Kinidyen · 01-07-2003, 12:49 PM

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The effects aren't really that bad

Quote:

Do yourself a favor and get a clue, thanks.

That would be the progression I'd follow since you make zero argument in defense of your premise other than shutup and wait.

Kinidyen

Frodlin7th · 01-07-2003, 01:20 PM

Effects are moronic, although the HP spread is also moronic. I'd venture to say that a Warrior getting only 15HP total more than a Paladin or shadowknight is outageous when the Paladin and shadowknight also get 175 Mana.

It's unfortunate that there wasn't more actual thought put into these armors to tailor them by class rather than go "Hmm, pure melee... avatar, Hybrid... some variation of a level 65 spell... caster... well, a debuff, no debuffs? Fine, let's smack a rune on there. I'm going to go over each BP effect (From memory, so forgive me if I'm off a tad).

Shaman: Some nice slow with a short cast time

Grats VI, you got one right!

Druid: Hand of Ro

I don't know enough about druids to really be able to comment, but it seems OK to have a mana free debuff

Cleric: No idea, I didn't get to see the BP

Wizard: Some gay self rune that's worse than epic, and if I'm not mistaken, doesn't stack.

Mage: Malosinia

Seems a nice debuff

Necro: Same gay rune as Wizard, but more helpful it seems since they don't have a click self rune already that I'm aware of.

Paladin: 65 Brell's

Poor paladins! I truly feel bad for them, as they get no real improvement, just a mana free version of a spell which over a period of time has a meaningless mana cost to begin with.

Warrior/Monk/Rogue/Ranger: Avatar (Same spell as on Primal in SPDat)

Nice except for that pesky +atk cap, and well... pretty damn lazy way to put an effect on a piece of armor.

SK: Unfortunately, didn't see either, I'll speculate that following the Paladin lead... it'll be a clickable version of one of their existing spells.

Beastlord: Unknown at this time

Now, this is patently absurd in that it seems to have taken about 10 minutes to create these, end game items.

Some dev had to have sat down, and said:

Let's take a standardized set of stats... make a robe or BP out of them... then add an effect and a name and call it "class specific", and we can probably pull this off before the first break.

Silk: Ok, same basic stats (AC 35, 175HP/Mana, And a few stats i.e. Stamina, Dex, and Agi... jumble around 40 for a couple saves and 5 for the others and we're gtg... next:

Leather:

Same thing.. monk, druid, BST... same thing, but monks don't have mana, so be sure to remove that... and like put some wisdom on the druid one, you know how they bitch.

Chain:

Same thing: Rogue, Shaman, Ranger... just remember not to put mana on rogue and uhh... something... like wisdom on the Shaman one.... ok next..

Plate:

Same thing: Paladin/SK get the same BP... just be sure to replace INT with Wis on the right ones or we'll take shit on that god damn Furor's board... ok we're cool

Warrior:

They need an EXTRA special BP cause otherwise we're gonna catch shit 2 ways from Sunday from Furor on his board, and Frodlin all over every other board... I got it... take off the mana and give them more AC/HP, they're always bitching about it. How much? Well, 15hp should about do it, and 12AC? yah! 12AC. WE GOT IT!

OK, it's already 8:15 and we started at 8:00.. we're runnin behind if we're gonna catch the Catering truck...

Effects:

Pure Melee: Avatar
Ranger: Well, Avatar too, they are DPS based
Paladin: Eeny...meeny...miny... moe... OK of the level 65 spells they have, my scientific deduction process has selected... oh great, Brell's!
SK: (Unfound as of yet)
Casters: Debuff if they have, rune if not... hurry, I am hearing the "la cucracha" horn...SHIT! Necros have a debuff, but they don't really like it... screw it give em a rune... GAH! ENCHANTERS! Well, they like their runes, and runes are ever so popular... rune it is...
Priests... Shaman... Slow... Druid... debuff... Cleric... CH! Nah, we get in trouble with that.. OK, something else...

DONE!

WOHOO! BREAKFAST BURRITO!

Artifa · 01-07-2003, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Candiarie

gotta love the fine sportsmanship (flaming) by FoH members

Gotta love the retarded comments about what FoH does on their own messageboards.

Samus Aran · 01-07-2003, 02:19 PM

Nice job forgetting bards, Frodlin, you assfuck.

Destinae · 01-07-2003, 02:39 PM

hsutup and play 32 mana fuckass

Lleauaric~EW · 01-07-2003, 02:57 PM

Wizard Robe effect isnt bad at all

Its a 6 sec cast time (epic is 15 secs cast time) on a rune that is 50pts less than epic (750 v. 800) and 1 less mana/tick.. and doesnt use regent (peridot) and doesnt use a spell slot.. and has better stats than Kodiacs robe..

I Wouldnt kick that robe out of bed for eating crackers...

Frodlin7th · 01-07-2003, 03:12 PM

I forgot bards because I'm NOT an assfuck

01-07-2003, 12:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sean Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 4,856 +11 Internets	Elemental Melee/Hybrid Armor effects... Why does it seem that absolutely no thought was put into them? They're down right awful. Now, I know you guys said you're looking at them, but no ones bitched yet, so I guess I'll have to. Melee/Hybrid Arms: Effect Regeneration (worn). Why? This effect is horrible, especially with the innate regen cap. This effect should be Aura of Daring, which is 20 atk 2 regen. This falls way more in line with the other pieces as well. Bracers? Vengeance 3 (15 Atk). Boots? Vengeance 5 (25 atk). Gloves? Aura of Bravery (30 Atk 3 regen). Sorry, but no Rogue, Monk, Ranger, ect is going to use an item with effect "Regeneration" over their arms from Luclin that have Atk on them. Please make this more in-line with the other pieces. Hybrid Boots: Why do they have Flowing Thought 5 when Melee have Vengeance 5? That is just ridiculous. They should also be V5, the Ranger ones at least (Atk >>>> Mana Regen at the point in the game where you will get these items). No ones made hybrid gloves yet, I seriously hope they're Aura of Bravery like the Melee ones are heh, and not some insane difference like the melee/hybrid boots. Now, for the really big offenders: Breast Plates and legs. Spirit of Predator on Ranger legs (with an 8 second cast time at that)? Cloak of Luclin on the SK legs? come on. The legs should have Aura of Valor on them, 40 Atk 4 regen. If you're absolutely set on having an inane right-click on them, make Aura of Valor a "focus" effect on the legs and have some "useful" right-click on them as well. Breastplates: Right click Avatar on the melee bps (and the one that counts toward the innate atk cap at that) and things like Brells on the Paladin bp? Is this some kind of joke? I hope it is. The BPs should be done along the same lines as my idea for the legs, except they should have Aura of Resolution for the "focus" effect (50 atk 5 regen) and some useful right click. Please consider these ideas when you look over these effects, as you said you are doing. Currently some of these effects really aren't as good as they should be. __________________ Last edited by Sean : 01-07-2003 at 12:05 PM.

01-07-2003, 12:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mallagin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 4 +0 Internets	hah -- when i saw legs i laughed... then cried Cloak of Luclin? ...................... hello? rarely have i seen sk's use there self only buff since paladin buff is usefull 10x more often then it Spirit of Predator ................ haha no? __________________ Duke Mallagin the Champion of War Ascent

01-07-2003, 12:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kraks Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 54 -1 Internets	Yeah, everyone should have the same things. While you're at it SOE, make Goldenrod Warrior equippable. This is the "it isn't fair" logic, which doesn't work. Some classes will get better stuff than others. Just get over it. Edit: And honestly, noone has any clue what is beyond the elemental planes as far as eqiupment progression. Don't just a corner if you can't see the entire picture. __________________ Marshall Kraks

01-07-2003, 12:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sean Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 4,856 +11 Internets	Get over what? All the Breast Plate effects totally suck and are ridiculous. No one has anything better than anothere here, they all downright suck. Same with the legs, though the warrior's effect is "decent", the rest are worthless. Do yourself a favor and get a clue, thanks. __________________

01-07-2003, 12:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kraks Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 54 -1 Internets	Its SOE's game. Its their items that they populate in their database. The effects aren't really that bad. They are typically situational, which is what I'm sure they were aiming for. Again, just wait and see. __________________ Marshall Kraks

01-07-2003, 12:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Momerath Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 14 +0 Internets	agree wholeheartedly, especially on the legs and breastplates

01-07-2003, 01:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Frodlin7th Hotkey Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gonzales, La Posts: 226 -1 Internets	Effects are moronic, although the HP spread is also moronic. I'd venture to say that a Warrior getting only 15HP total more than a Paladin or shadowknight is outageous when the Paladin and shadowknight also get 175 Mana. It's unfortunate that there wasn't more actual thought put into these armors to tailor them by class rather than go "Hmm, pure melee... avatar, Hybrid... some variation of a level 65 spell... caster... well, a debuff, no debuffs? Fine, let's smack a rune on there. I'm going to go over each BP effect (From memory, so forgive me if I'm off a tad). Shaman: Some nice slow with a short cast time Grats VI, you got one right! Druid: Hand of Ro I don't know enough about druids to really be able to comment, but it seems OK to have a mana free debuff Cleric: No idea, I didn't get to see the BP Wizard: Some gay self rune that's worse than epic, and if I'm not mistaken, doesn't stack. Mage: Malosinia Seems a nice debuff Necro: Same gay rune as Wizard, but more helpful it seems since they don't have a click self rune already that I'm aware of. Paladin: 65 Brell's Poor paladins! I truly feel bad for them, as they get no real improvement, just a mana free version of a spell which over a period of time has a meaningless mana cost to begin with. Warrior/Monk/Rogue/Ranger: Avatar (Same spell as on Primal in SPDat) Nice except for that pesky +atk cap, and well... pretty damn lazy way to put an effect on a piece of armor. SK: Unfortunately, didn't see either, I'll speculate that following the Paladin lead... it'll be a clickable version of one of their existing spells. Beastlord: Unknown at this time Now, this is patently absurd in that it seems to have taken about 10 minutes to create these, end game items. Some dev had to have sat down, and said: Let's take a standardized set of stats... make a robe or BP out of them... then add an effect and a name and call it "class specific", and we can probably pull this off before the first break. Silk: Ok, same basic stats (AC 35, 175HP/Mana, And a few stats i.e. Stamina, Dex, and Agi... jumble around 40 for a couple saves and 5 for the others and we're gtg... next: Leather: Same thing.. monk, druid, BST... same thing, but monks don't have mana, so be sure to remove that... and like put some wisdom on the druid one, you know how they bitch. Chain: Same thing: Rogue, Shaman, Ranger... just remember not to put mana on rogue and uhh... something... like wisdom on the Shaman one.... ok next.. Plate: Same thing: Paladin/SK get the same BP... just be sure to replace INT with Wis on the right ones or we'll take shit on that god damn Furor's board... ok we're cool Warrior: They need an EXTRA special BP cause otherwise we're gonna catch shit 2 ways from Sunday from Furor on his board, and Frodlin all over every other board... I got it... take off the mana and give them more AC/HP, they're always bitching about it. How much? Well, 15hp should about do it, and 12AC? yah! 12AC. WE GOT IT! OK, it's already 8:15 and we started at 8:00.. we're runnin behind if we're gonna catch the Catering truck... Effects: Pure Melee: Avatar Ranger: Well, Avatar too, they are DPS based Paladin: Eeny...meeny...miny... moe... OK of the level 65 spells they have, my scientific deduction process has selected... oh great, Brell's! SK: (Unfound as of yet) Casters: Debuff if they have, rune if not... hurry, I am hearing the "la cucracha" horn...SHIT! Necros have a debuff, but they don't really like it... screw it give em a rune... GAH! ENCHANTERS! Well, they like their runes, and runes are ever so popular... rune it is... Priests... Shaman... Slow... Druid... debuff... Cleric... CH! Nah, we get in trouble with that.. OK, something else... DONE! WOHOO! BREAKFAST BURRITO!

01-07-2003, 02:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 773 -1 Internets	Nice job forgetting bards, Frodlin, you assfuck.

01-07-2003, 02:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
Destinae Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 248 -1 Internets	hsutup and play 32 mana fuckass

01-07-2003, 02:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lleauaric~EW "Hamburgers, the cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast" Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 637 -9 Internets	Wizard Robe effect isnt bad at all Its a 6 sec cast time (epic is 15 secs cast time) on a rune that is 50pts less than epic (750 v. 800) and 1 less mana/tick.. and doesnt use regent (peridot) and doesnt use a spell slot.. and has better stats than Kodiacs robe.. I Wouldnt kick that robe out of bed for eating crackers...

01-07-2003, 03:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
Frodlin7th Hotkey Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gonzales, La Posts: 226 -1 Internets	I forgot bards because I'm NOT an assfuck

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