Elemental Melee/Hybrid Armor effects... - Page 3

Lhon · 01-07-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by EmiliaEQ

Light Melee : 155/120

Only +120 mana for monks and rogues?

Drakonn · 01-07-2003, 09:22 PM

I'm already taking bets that the SK Elem BP effect is Shroud of Chaos... (yes, the one that pallys get the equivilent of on their ornate legs, while we get the lesser version on our ornate BP... balanced eh?).

I think Avatar right click is damn good... maybe a lower cast time would help, but I still think its a good effect.

Maybe they should invent a new effect (or would it be too much to ask them to be original?) for hybrid classes, that combines FT and Vengence into 1 effect... XXX4 = 4 mana regen + 20atk or something.

Elaen--Emarr · 01-07-2003, 09:41 PM

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Flowing thought caps at 15, veng caps at 250

well really, Vengeance caps at 50, because you never have less than 5atk on items that give ATK modifiers. ATK caps at 250... While your point is no less valid that you should be getting ATK and not FT, that kind of exagerates the fact. And considering most anyone has primal, simply because its now common and the kind of thing worth getting while moving forward in the game or going back quickly and getting for new members, I would really call the Vengeance cap 30... so.... having a really large quantity of FT on one item can get a hybrid class up to speed for FT and then still leave many slots open to get more vengeance, all that is REALLY necessary it 30.

Not to mention the badass stats on the elemental armors.

Grae · 01-08-2003, 12:34 AM

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hsutup and play 32 mana fuckass

was damn funny.

Trike · 01-08-2003, 12:41 AM

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http://eqlive.station.sony.com/commu...w.jsp?id=53398

Planes of Power Class Armor

We've been looking over the PoP class armor effects that went to live servers today, and we're likely to make changes to a few pieces. We'll evaluate the armor sets and see about getting any changes onto the Test Server before Christmas break. Please keep this in mind before you make a great effort to acquire any planar class armor, as the effects on it may change.

Relax!

Naval_Deathblossom · 01-08-2003, 01:10 AM

Uhhh, isn't it past Christmas break?

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Naval_Deathblossom · 01-08-2003, 02:11 AM

Anyhow, of course all of the effects should be effects we are going to use. I don't like Avatar for the melee BP just for the fact most melee have Primal/Prismatic. For Monks, this is what I would like to see on our armor as our effects.

Head: Faerune - This is a great all around effect. An effect we will always use.

Wrist: Vengeance 3/AoBattle - This HAS to be an effect that we can double in. Getting twice as much Veng or AoB is great; however, when Pouch of Quellious was on our SoV armor, it was a total waste.

Hands: Aura of Bravery or higher - As of now, nothing still beats our epic. The effect on this HAS to be better than our epic proc AND has to be a worn effect since Speed of Vallon doesnt stack with our epic. Monks have had the best epic to date. We don't switch it in and out like Clerics just to res. I would love to have a new pair of gloves that are finally better than what I got 3 expansions ago.

Boots: Vengeance 5 - Nothing else I can think of that would be useful here except SoW maybe or something that bettered my kick or FD or something.

Arms: Claw of the Savage Lord - This is a 75 point lifetap proc. It would be a worn effect and have the chance to proc when fighting. (not sure if this can be done, but would sure be nifty and useful!)

This is when it gets hard because I would like to have 2 effects that will stack with raid buffs...putting Shield of the Arcane or something like that which won't stack with Focus or Brell..what good will that do when we can't solo much anymore and most of us get exp groups that have a shaman/ench/paladin to get these buffs anyways.

Legs: Protection of the Wild/Avatar/Warsong of Zek - Yea yea I know PotW doesnt stack with Brells, but we need ATK, AC, HP, and a great Damage Shield. This would be a great effect and would be exactly what Monks would use. Avatar is Avatar. I wouldnt mind if it was there too and Warsong of Zek is a group effect that alone wouldnt help a monk too much, but with a monk playing this in a group of Rogues, it could be really deadly.

Tunic: Savagery/Ferocity - For a Monk this would be THE effect I would want for me. More Sta is great, reduce stamina loss is great, 100 more ATK and 50 to all resists.

Maybe I am way over my head here on things, but this should be THE armor at this stage of EQ. We all know how insane the mobs have got in EQ, we need more ATK and HP to be able to stay alive.

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Jaggezin · 01-08-2003, 02:17 AM

You leave out the mask with instant click CH and the earring with turgur's naval?

Clericnon2boxed · 01-08-2003, 02:50 AM

Wondering what they put on beastlord elemental bp, I doubt it would be acumen or plague, so it leaves the 65 percent slow and ferocity as 65 spells.

Knowing SoE it is probably level 62 Spiritual Vigor ( BST brells sorta ) and it would be as useless as the current effect on paladin bp.

Lin · 01-08-2003, 03:00 AM

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(1) Nobody gives a shit about druids.

(2) See (1)

You should update your recruitment page:

Class Need Requirements
...
Monk High Level 65, at least 1 class AA maxed
Druid High Level 65, Spellcasting Mastery 3, Mass Group Buff
Wizard High Level 65, Spellcasting Mastery 3, Spellcasting Fury Mastery 3, Fury of Magic Mastery 3, Spellcasting Subtlety 3
...

Sinshiu · 01-08-2003, 05:12 AM

In the long run, Avatar on pure melee will not be usefull if the ATK cap doesn't change. In the shortrun, its needed...

However making items too good just brings up a problem thats still plaguing epics. They had to draw the line somewhere and(only speaking for monks here), the elemental armor is pretty good.

Currently i'm right at 250 ATK cap... but with Elemental Leggings i'll be down to 200, Boots i'll be back up to 215, 1 bracer(till i get a diff haste item) will place me at 210, gloves back up to 240, thats IF I got avatar on.

I'm totally sick of swapping in primal just for avatar, I really hope they dont remove this effect, at least not off the pure melee's... because if they do I'm still going to be using a Velious weapon to keep my ATK up to par...

I'm just saying the Avatar on the BP at this point, even with a full set of elemental armor isn't at all a waste.

Naval_Deathblossom · 01-08-2003, 05:35 AM

HAHAHA...No, Jagg. What is it, 1% of the entire EQ playerbase will see the planes and get Elemental Armor? For those who do get it, we deserve to have awesome effects on the armor as well, not shitty effects that are going to do shit against yard trash that quads for 900 and gods who throw out 4k AEs, AE Rampage, and hit for 2k+. We need effects that arent going to stack with our raid buffs and how hard is it to get an Elemental Leg or BP mold/pattern? Pretty damn hard from what I have seen so far. Or are you just wanting to keep your spells to yourself? All I know is if I have an effect on my tunic or legs that get overriden again, then something is really wrong. High end BPs and Legs should have high end effects even if it means they have to dive into a ranger or beastmaster only spells to get them.

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Benren · 01-08-2003, 06:39 AM

Holy shit, was there a "BARD SUCK HAHAHAHA FAGGOTS" joke at the beginning of this thread? Because I think my head may explode from the disappointment of it all unless a bunch of a fuck-buttered retards skid down a Slip n' Slide into the Punchboard of Intelligent Humor to see which Bard joke they were going to use today.

Kromagnon · 01-08-2003, 09:28 AM

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What is it, 1% of the entire EQ playerbase will see the planes and get Elemental Armor?

I remember people saying that about VT.

Nakilos · 01-08-2003, 09:45 AM

The enchanter robe really bugs me, simply because runes are only really worth it if cast time is good (ie Rune of Zeboxuruk with quick buff 3 makes the spell worth casting). I would like a single target voice of quellious, mostly because everything being a group buff is annoying. I think avatar is sort of stupid on melee breastplates - why? Stopping meleeing to cast a 6 second buff is sort of really bad for non channeling classes, especially with mobs with KB ae, or if the melee is levitated, or any type of desync or movement results in lost dps for no good reason. Also consider that likely the effect counts to the worn atk cap, and most people who are getting this calibre of gear should be getting up there in the cap. Aura of Resolution would be great I think.

Wiz/Necro robes are ok, druid one is shit, I think the bard one was Requiem of Time (I think thats not a bad effect but would be better to have a Nature's Melody type effect or a buff like the Shei Cloak I guess). I haven't seen enchanter pants but I'm scared really, probably be voice of quellious, which is of course a totally worthless effect due to the tgb nonsense.

Not finding the new top end gear overly exciting, or remotely rewarding..

01-07-2003, 09:22 PM	#32 (permalink)
Drakonn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 21 -1 Internets	I'm already taking bets that the SK Elem BP effect is Shroud of Chaos... (yes, the one that pallys get the equivilent of on their ornate legs, while we get the lesser version on our ornate BP... balanced eh?). I think Avatar right click is damn good... maybe a lower cast time would help, but I still think its a good effect. Maybe they should invent a new effect (or would it be too much to ask them to be original?) for hybrid classes, that combines FT and Vengence into 1 effect... XXX4 = 4 mana regen + 20atk or something. __________________ Duke Drakonn Wraithwind Dread Lord of Forsaken Realm Mith Marr Server --- Cross cutting thunder charge, Blade of destruction, Flamethrowing hurricane destroys the cage... Bonecrushing alien, God of salvation, Sad wings that Heaven sent wipes out in rage...

01-08-2003, 05:12 AM	#41 (permalink)
Sinshiu Special Mapper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 114 -1 Internets	.. In the long run, Avatar on pure melee will not be usefull if the ATK cap doesn't change. In the shortrun, its needed... However making items too good just brings up a problem thats still plaguing epics. They had to draw the line somewhere and(only speaking for monks here), the elemental armor is pretty good. Currently i'm right at 250 ATK cap... but with Elemental Leggings i'll be down to 200, Boots i'll be back up to 215, 1 bracer(till i get a diff haste item) will place me at 210, gloves back up to 240, thats IF I got avatar on. I'm totally sick of swapping in primal just for avatar, I really hope they dont remove this effect, at least not off the pure melee's... because if they do I'm still going to be using a Velious weapon to keep my ATK up to par... I'm just saying the Avatar on the BP at this point, even with a full set of elemental armor isn't at all a waste. __________________ exit light enter night take my hand we're off to never never land

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01-08-2003, 01:10 AM	#36 (permalink)
Naval_Deathblossom Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8 -1 Internets	Uhhh, isn't it past Christmas break? Naval Deathblossom Heaven and Earth Saryrn www.hneguild.com

01-08-2003, 02:11 AM	#37 (permalink)
Naval_Deathblossom Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8 -1 Internets	Anyhow, of course all of the effects should be effects we are going to use. I don't like Avatar for the melee BP just for the fact most melee have Primal/Prismatic. For Monks, this is what I would like to see on our armor as our effects. Head: Faerune - This is a great all around effect. An effect we will always use. Wrist: Vengeance 3/AoBattle - This HAS to be an effect that we can double in. Getting twice as much Veng or AoB is great; however, when Pouch of Quellious was on our SoV armor, it was a total waste. Hands: Aura of Bravery or higher - As of now, nothing still beats our epic. The effect on this HAS to be better than our epic proc AND has to be a worn effect since Speed of Vallon doesnt stack with our epic. Monks have had the best epic to date. We don't switch it in and out like Clerics just to res. I would love to have a new pair of gloves that are finally better than what I got 3 expansions ago. Boots: Vengeance 5 - Nothing else I can think of that would be useful here except SoW maybe or something that bettered my kick or FD or something. Arms: Claw of the Savage Lord - This is a 75 point lifetap proc. It would be a worn effect and have the chance to proc when fighting. (not sure if this can be done, but would sure be nifty and useful!) This is when it gets hard because I would like to have 2 effects that will stack with raid buffs...putting Shield of the Arcane or something like that which won't stack with Focus or Brell..what good will that do when we can't solo much anymore and most of us get exp groups that have a shaman/ench/paladin to get these buffs anyways. Legs: Protection of the Wild/Avatar/Warsong of Zek - Yea yea I know PotW doesnt stack with Brells, but we need ATK, AC, HP, and a great Damage Shield. This would be a great effect and would be exactly what Monks would use. Avatar is Avatar. I wouldnt mind if it was there too and Warsong of Zek is a group effect that alone wouldnt help a monk too much, but with a monk playing this in a group of Rogues, it could be really deadly. Tunic: Savagery/Ferocity - For a Monk this would be THE effect I would want for me. More Sta is great, reduce stamina loss is great, 100 more ATK and 50 to all resists. Maybe I am way over my head here on things, but this should be THE armor at this stage of EQ. We all know how insane the mobs have got in EQ, we need more ATK and HP to be able to stay alive. Naval Deathblossom Heaven and Earth Saryrn www.hneguild.com

01-08-2003, 02:17 AM	#38 (permalink)
Jaggezin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16 -1 Internets	You leave out the mask with instant click CH and the earring with turgur's naval?

01-08-2003, 02:50 AM	#39 (permalink)
Clericnon2boxed this way Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: El Dorado Posts: 1,465 -6 Internets	Wondering what they put on beastlord elemental bp, I doubt it would be acumen or plague, so it leaves the 65 percent slow and ferocity as 65 spells. Knowing SoE it is probably level 62 Spiritual Vigor ( BST brells sorta ) and it would be as useless as the current effect on paladin bp.

01-08-2003, 05:35 AM	#42 (permalink)
Naval_Deathblossom Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8 -1 Internets	HAHAHA...No, Jagg. What is it, 1% of the entire EQ playerbase will see the planes and get Elemental Armor? For those who do get it, we deserve to have awesome effects on the armor as well, not shitty effects that are going to do shit against yard trash that quads for 900 and gods who throw out 4k AEs, AE Rampage, and hit for 2k+. We need effects that arent going to stack with our raid buffs and how hard is it to get an Elemental Leg or BP mold/pattern? Pretty damn hard from what I have seen so far. Or are you just wanting to keep your spells to yourself? All I know is if I have an effect on my tunic or legs that get overriden again, then something is really wrong. High end BPs and Legs should have high end effects even if it means they have to dive into a ranger or beastmaster only spells to get them. Naval Deathblossom Heaven and Earth Saryrn www.hneguild.com

01-08-2003, 06:39 AM	#43 (permalink)
Benren Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 74 -1 Internets	Holy shit, was there a "BARD SUCK HAHAHAHA FAGGOTS" joke at the beginning of this thread? Because I think my head may explode from the disappointment of it all unless a bunch of a fuck-buttered retards skid down a Slip n' Slide into the Punchboard of Intelligent Humor to see which Bard joke they were going to use today.

01-08-2003, 09:45 AM	#45 (permalink)
Nakilos Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,591 +0 Internets	The enchanter robe really bugs me, simply because runes are only really worth it if cast time is good (ie Rune of Zeboxuruk with quick buff 3 makes the spell worth casting). I would like a single target voice of quellious, mostly because everything being a group buff is annoying. I think avatar is sort of stupid on melee breastplates - why? Stopping meleeing to cast a 6 second buff is sort of really bad for non channeling classes, especially with mobs with KB ae, or if the melee is levitated, or any type of desync or movement results in lost dps for no good reason. Also consider that likely the effect counts to the worn atk cap, and most people who are getting this calibre of gear should be getting up there in the cap. Aura of Resolution would be great I think. Wiz/Necro robes are ok, druid one is shit, I think the bard one was Requiem of Time (I think thats not a bad effect but would be better to have a Nature's Melody type effect or a buff like the Shei Cloak I guess). I haven't seen enchanter pants but I'm scared really, probably be voice of quellious, which is of course a totally worthless effect due to the tgb nonsense. Not finding the new top end gear overly exciting, or remotely rewarding..