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Old 01-07-2003, 04:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
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call me nub (awaits the nub reply posts) but aren't there two sets of craptacular armor? because when i looked at it, the paladin bp had regen (????WTF????) and sucky suck suck ac on it


perhaps there is a third? of not so gay? i hope so...
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Hand of Ro is an OK debuff, its major thing is the n100 resist adj to let it land easier. the problem is the 9.0 second cast time (im sorry, but ill take the 165 mana 3.5 second cast time). this effect really isnt all that good, tho the shaman BP is very nice
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:21 PM   #18 (permalink)
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enchanter bp...

Item: Romar's Robe of Visions, MAGIC, LORE, NO DROP, Slot: CHEST, AC: 35, DEX: 20, STA: 25, INT: 30, AGI: 35, HP: 175, MANA: 175, SV FIRE: 5, SV DISEASE: 40, SV COLD: 5, SV MAGIC: 40, SV POISON: 5, Required: L65, Effect: Rune of Zebuxoruk (Must Equip, Casting Time: 6.0) @L50, WT: 1.0, Size: LARGE, Appearance: Robe of the Kedge, Classes: ENC, Races: ALL


stats are nice....

appearance... ok that sucks ASS

effect: rune6? come on..gonna charge us a dot on this one too? just like PoG robe? couldnt come up with something creative? While people are making suggestions how about a mana regen effect? (like say manaflare)

All the items are sub VT quality in that they lack stat/ability modifiers such as +alt% or +dodge% those are easy to stack on...

and while yer at it, how about a constant effect in addition to a clicky... like a bit of FT if yer desperate or regen or something...
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Druid: Hand of Ro

I don't know enough about druids to really be able to comment, but it seems OK to have a mana free debuff


Doubtless the same difficulty of mobs are dropping these as drop, say, the warrior BP. The warrior BP will not only help them do their job tanking better with high AC, HPs etc. but gives them the ability to cast a very beneficial spell that they couldn't before. The druid BP may be some minor but meaningless stat upgrade over existing BPs and has a gimp spell on it druids can already cast much faster just by memming it, in otherwords it's practicaly useless. If a leather BP drops instead of a plate, take a dump in it, wipe your ass, and send it to SOE care of: shitloot. Maybe they'll exchange it for a useful meleer BP.

In order for the druid BP to be even vaguely comparable to a meleer BP it should also a) help them do their job better, and b) have an effect on it that isn't totally useless for both raiding and XPing. For A, give druids a focus effect, druids don't tank, so compensate for the vastly lower AC on the leather BP that helps warriors tank by giving them a focus effec that helps them do what they do, cast. For B ideally it would be nice to give druids some spell they can't cast, like meleers are getting avatar, Arch Lich maybe, Iceflame of E'ci, Turgurs... hell even just Avatar which would suck but would still be far better than that debuff.
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:35 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Worthless: you're looking at ornate...they're talking elemental

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Old 01-07-2003, 04:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Putting the debuff on the druid breastplate is not helpful at all. First, Hand of Ro already has a very cheap mana cost. Two, the cast time on the breastplate version is more than twice that of the normal spell. Three, the spell does not stack so other druids on the raid with the same breastplate essentially have the miniscule usefullness of their effect made null.

That is complete bullshit. At the very least they could have given the breastplate Blessing of Replenishment right click (useful, but not unique). What would have been neat is if they revisited the Starfire breastplate and gave this a right click DD, or hell even a right click Winged Death. Oh well.
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:09 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Some of the things that people are suggesting, while good ideas, are not going to happen. I do not see SoE changing the way effects are on items again, seeing as they just changed it not long ago. Things like a worn atk/regen effect plus a clicky are not possible currently. Right now you can have a focus effect and either a worn effect or a clicky.

Casters get these benefits from an item made for them:
1) stats
2) Focus effect, improved spellcasting
3) Worn or clicky effect

while melee get these benefits from an item made for them:
1) stats
2) Worn or clicky effect

It is shitty and should be changed. Worn effects should not interfere with clicky effects. If SoE wants it to be even, items should be able to have a clickable effect, and either a focus effect or a worn effect. It would be a dream if they could have all three, but I think fixing the current fucked up setup is more than enough.
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:16 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Putting the debuff on the druid breastplate is not helpful at all. First, Hand of Ro already has a very cheap mana cost. Two, the cast time on the breastplate version is more than twice that of the normal spell. Three, the spell does not stack so other druids on the raid with the same breastplate essentially have the miniscule usefullness of their effect made null.

That is complete bullshit. At the very least they could have given the breastplate Blessing of Replenishment right click (useful, but not unique). What would have been neat is if they revisited the Starfire breastplate and gave this a right click DD, or hell even a right click Winged Death. Oh well.
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:31 PM   #24 (permalink)
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(1) Nobody gives a shit about druids.

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Old 01-07-2003, 06:08 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Wizard: Some gay self rune that's worse than epic, and if I'm not mistaken, doesn't stack.
You are mistaken. As said by someone else Forceshield is only 50 hps and FT1 less than Wiz Epic rune, and it STACKS with the BST sprititual line of spells, which makes it - IMO - far superior to Barrier of Force, and a GREAT effect for the robe.
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Old 01-07-2003, 06:14 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The worst part about brells on the BP is the fact that it cannot even be cast on other groups, thus making the "convenience" of having a right click buff non existant.

Also, the reason why hybrid boots should have vengeance over flowing thought is simple - Flowing thought caps at 15, veng caps at 250. Duh?
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Old 01-07-2003, 06:28 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Actually I like the FT on the Bard boots, it's pretty useless on hybrid boots though.
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Old 01-07-2003, 07:05 PM   #28 (permalink)
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i play a shaman and i would prefer sta/hp to wisdom any day hehe, its still a very nice bp
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Old 01-07-2003, 07:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Items should be :

BP : Should have Focus + Effect
Caster - 175/175 FT + Rune (yes for everyone thats more HP)
Light Melee - 220/100 ATK + (Worn small Savagery/Ferocity)
Pal/SK - 250/100 ATK + (Worn small Savagery/Ferocity)
Warrior- 275 ATK + Furious Bash

Every other item : (keep Effects on caster, change melee arms)
Caster : 145/135
Light Melee : 155/120
Pal/SK : 165/100
War : 175

Legs : Should have Focus + Effect
Caster : 165/155 FT + 20% Range (best focus in pop)
Light Melee : 175/100 ATK + Self only small ATK buff (40ish)
Pal/SK : 200/75 ATK + Self only stacking haste with atk
Warrior : 220 ATK + 150hate 0.0 stun sec proc (like AHR gloves)

Getting 155hp V3, when a caster gets 145/135 FT3 is insulting for a Warrior.

If u want to make melee arms usefull :
Effect (all dual wielders) : Call Darkness (60hp lure lifetap)
Effect (pal/sk) : Voice of Darkness (100hp lure litefatp)
(Proc innate buff like AHR call of fire gloves)

Ps: I find plate INSANELY RARE, please fix that.

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Old 01-07-2003, 07:53 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Force Shield is decent effect for elemental wiz bp, would have been nice to see somthing more creative, but it could have been alot worse. Whats annoying is getting teleport effects on the pants....talk about lack of creativity...


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