Enough is Enough, bard mana Needs to be nerfed NOW!

[Genado]

Have you tested it yourself? i have, there is No Phantom Mana. K thnx

[Parum]

Thoughts?

1) There's no way I'm twisting more than I have to during exp groups. I already have severe enough carpul tunnel's (sp) to dedicate feeding some idiot's mana pool who wants to nuke instead of heal. There was a great rant about this posted on The Concert Hall, but you never read that board or you'd know this, so I'll skip that subject.

2) We have better uses on raids. Rizolna's (sp) adds 15% dps to the entire group. This coupled with Warsong of Zek has the potential to add something like 1 rogue + 1 warrior's dps to a raid... from just 1 bard in 1 group. This paired with OOS, Erjav's, etc etc, I assume (hope) you know our uses on raids, does not give us more song slots OR time to sing them, let alone the 2 this song takes.

3) Use your brain. AE mana hitting 50 people is already 1000% more effective than a 5 person song, this coupled with the fact that you get phantom mana AND need to sing amp does not make this song a top priority, even with correct calculations (they aren't). The only time i've ever used this was when we had 5 bards on an Emp. raid, and I got stuck pumping mana for the chanters (while being backup mezzer). Our clerics have not many FTs, and somehow we manage to live through most of the high end game. Try it sometime.

4) Bards are already quite nerfed and bugged. I'd rather they fix our psalms they haven't fixed for, what, 2 years? It honestly doesn't matter to me if they nerf this, because its a near worthless song already.

Next week's rant: how warrior kick does to much damage.

Parum Papumpum
65 Bard
Divine Grace, Emarr.

[Destinae]

Spell ac is independant of the item ac softcaps.

[aychamo_aycono]

Is this any validity to the jokes about quick development of carpal-tunnel syndrome by twisting songs?

[Dekein]

There can be Aychomo. It depends how you support your wrists. I can play for hours with no discomfort at home where I have my desk setup for it. Try it somewhere else and I last maybe 30 minutes before it gets sore. It's really not much different than getting it from typing, you just tend to hold that one hand very still which makes the effects felt faster.

Phantom mana. Yes, pulsing the 32 song as fast as you can generates phantom mana client side. Yes, I tested it. Take a necromancer and run them completely dry of mana, use a low mana spell to be sure, then try casting on of their pets without medding. Have them constantly click a circlet of shadows to synch the client and server manapools. Try this with 32 running normally and with you refreshing it as fast as you can. The pet will cast at the same time either way.

Personally, I hate being called upon to use this song. I am also happy to have the ability when it is vital. It is not a whole lot different than the necro mana transfer ability. (As someone previously posted in this thread.)

From talking to our casters, agro limits them far more than manapools. In a perfect world, where they can chain nuke at will, your endless mana point may be valid. For clerics, another cleric is far better than another bard after you have 1 bard.

This really is a problem only based on Luclin encounters. The problem there, which is quite well covered in 4000 threads, is the encounter design. I have rarely, very rarely, used this in PoP.

[Benren]

Oh, there most definately is truth to the "carpal tunnel" joke. Playing a bard, you run the risk of severely fucking your wrist(s).

When I was a Freshman in high school, I broke a bone in my wrist. I never allowed it the chance to heal correctly, and it's always bothered me. When I bend my wrist a certain way, you can see a lump at the base of my hand, right on top of my wrist, that is the bone sticking out at an odd angle.

A few months ago, I noticed that there was a patch on my right wrist, right near the gross bone, where it seemed as if there was nothing. A hole, if you would, covered by skin. A divet, a soft spot, a place where you can poke your finger and not meet resistance from anything other than the skin. I chalked it up to my wrist being fucked. As time's gone on, though, the hole's gotten bigger, and the oddest thing... I now have the same divet on my left wrist, and it's getting bigger, too. I shit you not here, and I know it sounds fucked, but I honestly think, playing as much EQ as I do, that being a bard is causing my hands to seperate themselves completely from my fucking arms.

If I get the urge, I'll fire up the digi cam and take some photos of the "divets" in question for you to gaze upon.

Oh, and I'm not even going to bother responding to the original post.

[Tilien]

Originally posted by FurryCrew
Sooo.....can we excumunicate him from the class yet....i say the dr00ds can have him

Wooo wooo there little billy, we dr00ds already have enough fucknuts and twinks thank you very much.

[Ashwynd]

If he gets bards nerfed, not only would us "droods" not want him but he can find a new server to whine to as well :P When you fight Rallos Zek or some other high end encounter, see if you think your mana song should still be nerfed, ok?

[Bladefury]

I just got 1 question.

Who the hell has THAT MANY BARDS?

[Spontaneous Cumbustion]

"If he gets bards nerfed, not only would us "droods" not want him but he can find a new server to whine to as well :P When you fight Rallos Zek or some other high end encounter, see if you think your mana song should still be nerfed, ok?"

So are they balancing encounters around this super manasong? Are you saying his conclusion's were correct?

[Shuyo]

Originally posted by Genado
Have you tested it yourself? i have, there is No Phantom Mana. K thnx

so sudenly the bard community is wrong and you are right?

[EllessarBard]

haha.

Seriously... people know about this song; there is a reason why it isn't used on all raids: Its got huge limitations.

For one thing, its pulse based, so limits a bard to just one other song. For that reason, its most 'costly' than other things a bard can do; it basically costs "double" what other songs do. To get the max effect out of it, you need to be using 'amplify' as well... which pretty much takes a bard out of doing anything else useful.

There is also the range on it. 30. yes, 30. If people aren't sitting on the bard, they are out of range. A group has to really be expecting it and standing appropriately clumped to get the benefit. It will take a bard out of melee.

Which is to say... its got some major opportunity costs.

Its max effect... for a bard with maxxed out AA, and the best gear, is 25 mana / 6 seconds. Thats not bad.... until you figure what a mana pool on a caster is, and what their natural mana regen is. Are you better off with 4 clerics regenning 95, or 5 clerics regenning 70? I think most people would agree that the 5 clerics are better... if for nothing other than casting time and aggro control reasons. Which is to say, a bard doing this is not clearly more effective than adding another cleric.

Lets be real... a bard can boost the damage of rogues, ramngers, wizards. A bard can boost the healing of clerics. They can compensate for areas that are weak; basically trading an excess of bards to compensate for a lack in the numbers of another class; in a properly structured group.

so... high opportunity cost... limited benefits, and the benfits in line with the rest of the things bards do on raids.

[FuckYou]

You fucking idiots. Stop saying "Verant". There is no fucking Verant. Verant gotten eaten like a pussy by the bearded bitch called SOE. You notice there is no more "Verant" splash screen? There is a big ass SOE one instead. So for fucks sake stop saying "Verant needz to fix this shiz!". It's like when an old person says "gay" and means happy. Wake the fuck up and smell the maple nut crunch.

Resume your bard thread, as if anyone cares but bards.

[Yayanono]

Ill save you the testing, with the appropriate gear and buffs and 3 Bards, yes you can have 4 clerics chain cast CH and Never go OOM.

How do you get 3 bards and 4 clerics in the same group? Very thorough testing ya did man~

[Hinterdir <SolRo>]

the AE singing bard doesn't have to be in group, brain.

why is this thread not rikshawed yet?