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BanquozGhost · 10-19-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninen

From the MTGO wiki, which seems fairly up to date:

"Wizards of the Coast allows collectors who have assembled a full set of digital cards to exchange them for a factory set of printed cards. Regular cards and foils cannot be mixed. Each set is eligible for a period of up to 4 years after the online release."

So yes there are some stipulations and limitations. Still 4 years to cash out is pretty decent.

That wiki is not entirely accurate (imagine that). They have reissued a number of the older sets that have been out of print for years as well as a best of set called Masters Edition exclusively for MTGO. None of these have ever been available for the redemption program. This is no small number of cards we're talking about here either.

AladainAF · 10-22-2009, 07:40 AM

Hopefully this hasn't been posted already but.....

Anyone that plays LoN and has a lot of Oathbound cards... You notice you can't actually play other people anymore, or even the local campaigns? Yeah. Sony decided to "stop supporting" Oathbound.

You heard that right. Friend of mine dropped about $3,000 on LoN throughout its lifetime, a lot of it on Oathbound cards. Every deck he has is built around those cards. He went to play a match just yesterday and got a message that he was unable to play others with his deck. He then tried to play locally, and could but was warned he was playing with a "non-standard deck" and would not save his victories. He was confused about wtf was going on so he called Sony only to be told "We discontinued Oathbound and those cards can not be used in any deck". He argued this point (naturally) only to be told "Tough shit, its in the EULA that you agree with that we can discontinue any cards at any time we feel like it". Then, to make matters worse, he was told that "If you buy some cards from the most current expansion, they include some of the exact same cards from the Oathbound expansion". Wat? I could understand if they had special tournaments and excluded certain cards or what not but just casual play online completely not allowed?

So yeah, lawsuits incoming, and SoE is inept at running anything, apparently.

ruination · 10-22-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AladainAF

Hopefully this hasn't been posted already but.....

Anyone that plays LoN and has a lot of Oathbound cards... You notice you can't actually play other people anymore, or even the local campaigns? Yeah. Sony decided to "stop supporting" Oathbound.

You heard that right. Friend of mine dropped about $3,000 on LoN throughout its lifetime, a lot of it on Oathbound cards. Every deck he has is built around those cards. He went to play a match just yesterday and got a message that he was unable to play others with his deck. He then tried to play locally, and could but was warned he was playing with a "non-standard deck" and would not save his victories. He was confused about wtf was going on so he called Sony only to be told "We discontinued Oathbound and those cards can not be used in any deck". He argued this point (naturally) only to be told "Tough shit, its in the EULA that you agree with that we can discontinue any cards at any time we feel like it". Then, to make matters worse, he was told that "If you buy some cards from the most current expansion, they include some of the exact same cards from the Oathbound expansion". Wat? I could understand if they had special tournaments and excluded certain cards or what not but just casual play online completely not allowed?

So yeah, lawsuits incoming, and SoE is inept at running anything, apparently.

Oh wow.

TheYanger · 10-22-2009, 10:25 AM

That's pretty standard rotation type stuff, Magic does it too, but you're right it should be for tournaments, not just random play. And there can easily be 'type 1' tourneys that just allow everything...no?

Ninen · 10-22-2009, 11:39 AM

Plus, if the cards are currently available from "legal sets" then, if they follow the MTG model (which really is the *only* model to follow here), those specific older cards should still be playable (fireball is fireball is fireball, be it Alpha, Beta, or 10th edition).

But it sounds like they may not be doing that, which is indeed a clusterfuck.

Bixxby · 10-22-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninen

Plus, if the cards are currently available from "legal sets" then, if they follow the MTG model (which really is the *only* model to follow here), those specific older cards should still be playable (fireball is fireball is fireball, be it Alpha, Beta, or 10th edition).

But it sounds like they may not be doing that, which is indeed a clusterfuck.

It just completely nullifies your deck, its awful. You can't even use the cards to play the scenarios against a computer that give you in game items.

Siddar · 10-23-2009, 01:21 AM

Smedly has a new contender for the greedy whore title.

Bill Roper – Computer Game Poison? | Muckbeast

Just imagine if WoW made you spend $12.50 for every respect.

Flight · 10-23-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Siddar

Smedly has a new contender for the greedy whore title.

Smed wasn't far behind.

EverQuest Players

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What race would you like to be today? Now you have a choice! Switch it up with a Transmogrification Scroll and transform yourself

Looks expensive too.

Pherix · 10-23-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AladainAF

So yeah, lawsuits incoming, and SoE is inept at running anything, apparently.

Your friend, you, or anyone else that thinks they will be doing anything except pissing money away trying to bring a lawsuit against Sony for this are fucking idiots.

Another craptastic internet lawyer.

Alamando · 10-23-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Flight

Looks expensive too.

The race change scroll costs $25.

AladainAF · 10-23-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pherix

Your friend, you, or anyone else that thinks they will be doing anything except pissing money away trying to bring a lawsuit against Sony for this are fucking idiots.

Another craptastic internet lawyer.

Well, hes going to try. Hes my coworker, and we have a benefit that we get 2 free 30-minute consultations a year for any legal matter. So hes going to use one on that and just see what they say.

Itzena · 10-27-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Flight

Smed wasn't far behind.

EverQuest Players

Looks expensive too.

Blizzard Support

Chanur · 10-28-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzena

Blizzard Support

Its okay though because its blizzard

10-22-2009, 07:40 AM	#77 (permalink)
AladainAF Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,933 -42 Internets	Hopefully this hasn't been posted already but..... Anyone that plays LoN and has a lot of Oathbound cards... You notice you can't actually play other people anymore, or even the local campaigns? Yeah. Sony decided to "stop supporting" Oathbound. You heard that right. Friend of mine dropped about $3,000 on LoN throughout its lifetime, a lot of it on Oathbound cards. Every deck he has is built around those cards. He went to play a match just yesterday and got a message that he was unable to play others with his deck. He then tried to play locally, and could but was warned he was playing with a "non-standard deck" and would not save his victories. He was confused about wtf was going on so he called Sony only to be told "We discontinued Oathbound and those cards can not be used in any deck". He argued this point (naturally) only to be told "Tough shit, its in the EULA that you agree with that we can discontinue any cards at any time we feel like it". Then, to make matters worse, he was told that "If you buy some cards from the most current expansion, they include some of the exact same cards from the Oathbound expansion". Wat? I could understand if they had special tournaments and excluded certain cards or what not but just casual play online completely not allowed? So yeah, lawsuits incoming, and SoE is inept at running anything, apparently. __________________ Vexacion (Elyos) - Marchutan Last edited by AladainAF; 10-22-2009 at 07:43 AM..

10-22-2009, 11:39 AM	#80 (permalink)
Ninen Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 562 -8 Internets	Plus, if the cards are currently available from "legal sets" then, if they follow the MTG model (which really is the only model to follow here), those specific older cards should still be playable (fireball is fireball is fireball, be it Alpha, Beta, or 10th edition). But it sounds like they may not be doing that, which is indeed a clusterfuck. __________________ Macrabra of Dragonblight

10-23-2009, 01:21 AM	#82 (permalink)
Siddar Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 320 -30 Internets	Smedly has a new contender for the greedy whore title. Bill Roper – Computer Game Poison? \| Muckbeast Just imagine if WoW made you spend $12.50 for every respect. __________________ Fight Siddar

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10-22-2009, 10:25 AM	#79 (permalink)
TheYanger Old School Monk Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 638 +14 Internets	That's pretty standard rotation type stuff, Magic does it too, but you're right it should be for tournaments, not just random play. And there can easily be 'type 1' tourneys that just allow everything...no?