EQ - Worst game design feature yet - Page 2

Ryoz · 10-07-2009, 06:25 AM

Not surprised at all. Next thing you know SOE will be selling plat and characters.

Muligan · 10-07-2009, 06:49 AM

This kind of makes me sick, it is goes beyond this being EQ but, this represents Sony, their decision making, and their perspective in respect to their customers.

LoN is optional and they've placed item rewards within the game but why grow and reward people for paying money when people are paying monthly fees and box costs. I would take this more lightly if EQ went to around 3.99 or even free in addition to this move. This is just so egotistical (and delusional) to feel that this 10 year old game merits such an investment of time and money to have access to the full game/content.

This is greedy and it is a slap in the face to those who have been around 6,7, or even 10 years. Why squeeze money from the people that still support this game? Give these people are break... If they want more subs adding the cost up for a outdated yet, nostalgic game does seem how to lead the horse to water. They need to start cutting the costs, enhance their store, and packaging in their other games and throwing in the game that started at all as a very proud gift.

I think a lot of people would play EQ for a reduced (especially a free rate) but if I, as a subscriber, have to end up paying 20 to even 50 dollars a month (if you add up LoN packs, Store costs, monthly fee, or even an expansion time to time it gets costly) that is just insulting and makes me say to myself not to support or consider their games in the future instead of saying this is what brought me years of fun and entertainment i'll give their next game a shot.

Whatever... this really isn't worth the time I even put into this post but I think it's shameful that they are not making moves that appear more appreciative to their fanbase.

Big W Powah! · 10-07-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Goliath

Lol I feel bad for all the consumer products you use.

WHAT!? THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING PACKAGING?

I'M DONE. I CAN USE BOUNTY THE QUILTED PICKER UPER NO MORE!

BFD!

..Yeah, this is more like "Hey, that new product they released. You have to buy this other key just to open that product"

Thengel · 10-07-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Agraza

Woop woop, that's the sound of the space police: Meet CCP's "Permaband" - Massively was way more interesting.

We need the little studios like SOE to experiment and innovate. Then when they do something smart in a bad way a good developer like Blizzard can fix it.

Others already said it, but whatever. If you're still paying for one of their products then you're the fool. You're culpable for their bad design by paying for it.

Yes, we need "good" developers like Blizzard to suck up our money and give us virtually no content at all. Who's the fool?

Disclaimer: I don't play EQ or WoW. Not a "fanboi" of either, sorry!

Man0warr · 10-07-2009, 08:14 AM

The entire Omens of War expansion was worse than this.

Agraza · 10-07-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Thengel

Yes, we need "good" developers like Blizzard to suck up our money and give us virtually no content at all. Who's the fool?

Disclaimer: I don't play EQ or WoW. Not a "fanboi" of either, sorry!

The speed of content creation vs. the quality of that content is a viable argument. I think ToC was a bad move in so many ways, but I loved Ulduar and the majority of the expansion. I'm not playing WoW right now either. I'm not pissed at them because they can't make good stuff fast enough to keep me interested. I just don't subscribe permanently. I might re-sub for Icecrown, wait until Cataclysm, or find something else to do.

You mock my complimenting Blizzard's skill at crafting videogames. Good is relative. Who, in the mmo medium, are better? And if their past creations are so god awful, or perhaps just mediocre, why is my Wal-Mart and like...every other Wal-Mart still selling Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3?

I get it. WoW doesn't satisfy your every desire. it doesn't feed you, burp you, and change your diapers. You're upset because you found that there is an end to the golden brick road. That is reality, not evidence that there is a steaming pile of suck under cover of their slick marketing.

Twobit Whore · 10-07-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Thengel

Yes, we need "good" developers like Blizzard to suck up our money and give us virtually no content at all. Who's the fool?

Disclaimer: I don't play EQ or WoW. Not a "fanboi" of either, sorry!

WoW's glacial speed of free content updates has no bearing on the idiocy of SOE's plan in this regard.

Ryoz · 10-07-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Man0warr

The entire Omens of War expansion was worse than this.

What didn’t you like about it? Had some pretty challenging raid encounters I thought.

xmod2 · 10-07-2009, 08:52 AM

I can kind of understand why people are mad, but seriously, just don't run the dungeon.

Sounds like a second dev team for LoN is experimenting with what it thinks would be a cool feature for it's players.

You'd think those hardcore EQ players (me having been one of them), wouldn't be mad about content that only 5% of the server will end up seeing. It's not end game content either right? And once the quest is done you can't go in anymore? Just skip it. I mean not being able to see 100% of the content is SUCH a 'WoW' player thing to be upset about.

Bongk · 10-07-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

WoW's glacial speed of free content updates has no bearing on the idiocy of SOE's plan in this regard.

Free content, people are still guillable enough to cling on to that, huh? Sad...

I find it hillarious that zones like Vex Thal cannot be entered when a expansion is released it is broken andd cock blocked, but when blizzard releases Ulduar its free content!!

I know you aren't that dumb 2bit. I also know the difference of being honest and lying when comparing that scenario above. But both companies are doing the same thing in the end.

Charging you for content in an expansion that is not done when it ships. Except for lying about it being in game, the situation is identical.

Twobit Whore · 10-07-2009, 08:54 AM

My point, which you obviously completely and utterly missed, is that the discussion of this 'business practice' has nothing to do with WoW.

The issue is requiring you to purchase out of game TCG packs to use in game content.. and not just a potion but an entire dungeon.

If Blizzard made Ulduar only available to people who got a WoW TCG card you would be here screaming to the heavens but somehow this doesn't warrant criticism?

Man0warr · 10-07-2009, 09:03 AM

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What didn’t you like about it? Had some pretty challenging raid encounters I thought.

Sorry I meant GoD, always get the 2 alien expansions mixed up. It was totally unfinished with unbeatable content - a lot of the content was tuned for level 70 players but we were still 65.

Uqua was awful, good thing WoW beta started around the same time we were all beating out heads on it. Single handedly killed EQ.

Thengel · 10-07-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

My point, which you obviously completely and utterly missed, is that the discussion of this 'business practice' has nothing to do with WoW.

The issue is requiring you to purchase out of game TCG packs to use in game content.. and not just a potion but an entire dungeon.

If Blizzard made Ulduar only available to people who got a WoW TCG card you would be here screaming to the heavens but somehow this doesn't warrant criticism?

Of course it still warrants criticism, and has little to do with WOW. You missed the part where it was Agraza and his "LOL Sony sux Blizz rocks!" troll that brought WoW into this thread at all.

Bongk · 10-07-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

My point, which you obviously completely and utterly missed, is that the discussion of this 'business practice' has nothing to do with WoW.

The issue is requiring you to purchase out of game TCG packs to use in game content.. and not just a potion but an entire dungeon.

If Blizzard made Ulduar only available to people who got a WoW TCG card you would be here screaming to the heavens but somehow this doesn't warrant criticism?

Fair enough, I read something into you comment you didn't mean. I thought the old "wow gives free content and no other game does" bullshit was coming back again. My bad.

Ryoz · 10-07-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Man0warr

Sorry I meant GoD, always get the 2 alien expansions mixed up. It was totally unfinished with unbeatable content - a lot of the content was tuned for level 70 players but we were still 65.

Uqua was awful, good thing WoW beta started around the same time we were all beating out heads on it. Single handedly killed EQ.

I do agree with you there. I remember the hell that was unfinished and broken Uqua. I’m amazed that SOE let the game continue, preparing the next expansion all the while people are stuck on their current clusterfuck. Nothing like every competitive guild in the game not being able to finish it until the subsequent expansion was released. I did stick with the game for a while, glad I did too, content definitely got better. Although, the other part of me wishes I would have bailed and moved to wow sooner.

10-07-2009, 06:25 AM	#16 (permalink)
Ryoz Mr. Unlikely Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 185 -8 Internets	Not surprised at all. Next thing you know SOE will be selling plat and characters. __________________ "If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence that you tried." - David Brent

10-07-2009, 08:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
Man0warr Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,601	The entire Omens of War expansion was worse than this. __________________ Manowarr - Ranger - Dominus Letum

10-07-2009, 08:54 AM	#26 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,183 -14 Internets	My point, which you obviously completely and utterly missed, is that the discussion of this 'business practice' has nothing to do with WoW. The issue is requiring you to purchase out of game TCG packs to use in game content.. and not just a potion but an entire dungeon. If Blizzard made Ulduar only available to people who got a WoW TCG card you would be here screaming to the heavens but somehow this doesn't warrant criticism? __________________ I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hand. I ball my fists and you gonna know where I stand.

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10-07-2009, 06:49 AM	#17 (permalink)
Muligan EQ Retirement Home Resident Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pikeville, KY Posts: 276 -10 Internets	This kind of makes me sick, it is goes beyond this being EQ but, this represents Sony, their decision making, and their perspective in respect to their customers. LoN is optional and they've placed item rewards within the game but why grow and reward people for paying money when people are paying monthly fees and box costs. I would take this more lightly if EQ went to around 3.99 or even free in addition to this move. This is just so egotistical (and delusional) to feel that this 10 year old game merits such an investment of time and money to have access to the full game/content. This is greedy and it is a slap in the face to those who have been around 6,7, or even 10 years. Why squeeze money from the people that still support this game? Give these people are break... If they want more subs adding the cost up for a outdated yet, nostalgic game does seem how to lead the horse to water. They need to start cutting the costs, enhance their store, and packaging in their other games and throwing in the game that started at all as a very proud gift. I think a lot of people would play EQ for a reduced (especially a free rate) but if I, as a subscriber, have to end up paying 20 to even 50 dollars a month (if you add up LoN packs, Store costs, monthly fee, or even an expansion time to time it gets costly) that is just insulting and makes me say to myself not to support or consider their games in the future instead of saying this is what brought me years of fun and entertainment i'll give their next game a shot. Whatever... this really isn't worth the time I even put into this post but I think it's shameful that they are not making moves that appear more appreciative to their fanbase.

10-07-2009, 08:52 AM	#24 (permalink)
xmod2 The Orange Bard Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 392 +1 Internets	I can kind of understand why people are mad, but seriously, just don't run the dungeon. Sounds like a second dev team for LoN is experimenting with what it thinks would be a cool feature for it's players. You'd think those hardcore EQ players (me having been one of them), wouldn't be mad about content that only 5% of the server will end up seeing. It's not end game content either right? And once the quest is done you can't go in anymore? Just skip it. I mean not being able to see 100% of the content is SUCH a 'WoW' player thing to be upset about.