[WoW] Patch 3.3 - Page 47

k^M · 11-02-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by James

Hmm, shouldn't there be a hyphen in Stoneskin-Plate.

You know I think you're right, I was more drawn to the +13 kick dmg, that shit is bomb

Downhammer · 11-02-2009, 04:14 PM

Question regarding Icecrown Radiance:

If bosses will now hit more often but for less each hit, does block value increase as a tanking stat? The percentage of total damage mitigated by block would increase if the per-hit damage decreases. Is this a buff for warriors/pallys, or is it still such a small percentage that its in the noise?

Related question: against a single target can a bear crit enough to have their savage defense up for every incoming boss hit?

Do we know enough yet from the PTR about how bosses are hitting to answer these?

Felonius · 11-02-2009, 08:22 PM

the consensus I got from EJ is that block goes from worthless to nearly worthless given the change, bosses are still going to hit like trucks, just more often (not anub heroic truck, but still like a pick up)

Xequecal · 11-02-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Felonius

the consensus I got from EJ is that block goes from worthless to nearly worthless given the change, bosses are still going to hit like trucks, just more often (not anub heroic truck, but still like a pick up)

I see someone's not a leatherworker. (yeah, I'm a little bitter about having a super-hard hitting boss where a specific profession takes 20% less damage)

Felonius · 11-02-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Xequecal

I see someone's not a leatherworker. (yeah, I'm a little bitter about having a super-hard hitting boss where a specific profession takes 20% less damage)

something i'm missing?

Wodin · 11-02-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Felonius

something i'm missing?

Leatherworking's "cool trick" (like installing sockets in places where they weren't before for blacksmithing or Dragon's Eye gems with tons of extra stats for JC) is turbo-powered bracer enchants. These include the various magic resists, so a Leatherworking tank can get higher resist values than others.

James · 11-02-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Downhammer

Question regarding Icecrown Radiance:

If bosses will now hit more often but for less each hit, does block value increase as a tanking stat? The percentage of total damage mitigated by block would increase if the per-hit damage decreases. Is this a buff for warriors/pallys, or is it still such a small percentage that its in the noise?

Related question: against a single target can a bear crit enough to have their savage defense up for every incoming boss hit?

Do we know enough yet from the PTR about how bosses are hitting to answer these?

No. Bosses will not hit for 'much' less than they do now. The goal is to give you a constant, reliable rape train, rather than a periodic rape train. Block value is no more or less valuable to Warriors and Paladins in Icecrown than it is in pre-Anub ToC. That is to say, a block set beyond ilvl 226 does not exist, so it's pointless theorycrafting.

Bears don't crit enough to block every hit. Paw block has its own strengths that allow it to pull ahead in certain situations, however.

Xequecal · 11-02-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by James

No. Bosses will not hit for 'much' less than they do now. The goal is to give you a constant, reliable rape train, rather than a periodic rape train. Block value is no more or less valuable to Warriors and Paladins in Icecrown than it is in pre-Anub ToC. That is to say, a block set beyond ilvl 226 does not exist, so it's pointless theorycrafting.

Bears don't crit enough to block every hit. Paw block has its own strengths that allow it to pull ahead in certain situations, however.

For Paladins there might be a block set. Anub's adds plowing through Holy Shield is pretty unique and there was plenty of +BV in Coliseum, it'll only take 2-4 shield block rating items out of Icecrown to cap again.

Goofy · 11-03-2009, 01:51 PM

So there is this 5 year annivasary sweepstakes....

Prizes are pretty sweet.

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5. Prizes.

A. On Wednesday, November 4, 2009, five (5) qualified entrants will be chosen by Sponsor at random from all qualified entrants who created an account on or before October 26, 2008 to receive one (1) "Charge of the Great Dragon Flights," Stein, with an approximate retail value of $89.99;

B. On Wednesday, November 11, 2009, five (5) qualified entrants will be chosen by Sponsor at random from all qualified entrants who created an account on or before November 2, 2007 to receive one (1) set of PPK Gaming Glasses from Gunnar Optiks, with an approximate retail value of $59.00;

C. On Wednesday, November 18, 2009, seven (7) qualified entrants will be chosen by Sponsor at random from all qualified entrants who created an account on or before November 9, 2006 to receive a One ASUS ENGTS250 DK/DI/1GD3 video card with an approximate retail value of $149.99;

D. On Wednesday, November 25, 2009, five (5) qualified entrants will be chosen by Sponsor at random from all qualified entrants who created an account on or before November 16, 2005 to receive a prize package consisting of One (1) SteelSeries QcK Limited Edition Mousepad, One (1) SteelSeries World of Warcraft MMO Gaming Mouse and One (1) SteelSeries Siberia V2 Full-Size Headset retailing $79.99, with each prize package having an approximate retail value of $194.97;

E. On Wednesday, December 2, 2009:

1) Three (3) qualified entrant will be chosen by Sponsor at random from all qualified entrants who created an account on or before November 23, 2004 to receive a prize package consisting of One (1) ASUS ENGTX260/HTDI/896M Nvidia video card with an approximate retail value of $149.99, and One (1) Game Card redeemable for one (1) year of World of Warcraft game time with an approximate retail value of $155.88; and One (1) Autographed Onyxia Print with an approximate retail value of $19.99.

2) Two (2) qualified entrants will be chosen by Sponsor at random from all qualified entrants who created an account on or before November 23, 2004 to receive a prize package consisting of: One (1) ASUS Republic of Gamers 3D Vision enhanced laptop with an approximate retail value of $2,499.00, One (1) Game Card redeemable for one (1) year of World of Warcraft game time with an approximate retail value of $155.88; and One (1) Autographed Onyxia Print with an approximate retail value of $19.99.

The approximate retail value of all prizes awarded during the Sweepstakes is $ 14,136.50.

I wonder how many day 1 accounts are still around and have an active suscription (i assume thats what qualifies you to be in the draw)....

I'm day 1 here.

James · 11-03-2009, 02:02 PM

I've got a couple of day 1 accounts. I'm a goddamned shoe in, if I say so myself.

BurnemWizfyre · 11-03-2009, 02:06 PM

Ive got 2

Homercles · 11-03-2009, 02:44 PM

Being able to disenchant my own olde BoP crap when I get upgrades is great for enchanting but compared to Leatherworking or Jewelcrafting for profession-specific raiding perks it falls very short. If I dropped enchanting for JC I'd get an extra 42def for Anub at the expense of... nothing (60sta which is useless), raid-power wise. 42def is perhaps 1% avoidance, I can convert that to hit rating easily with gemming, it's a fucking huge buff for that fight where tanks have to scrape every bit of avoidance and block value from what's available to them.

Jewelcrafting gets its own daily, enchanting gets no such thing. Now items can be traded in 5mans meaning enchanters are under a moral obligation to disenchant items other people won, and in the 3.3 cross-realm LFG system there's a new rolling system for enchanters to disenchant items for other people. Is there a point for this profession other than a source of abyss crystals each gear reset (2.4, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3) ?

[edit] So all of that was a bit out of the blue. Erm, I was initially writing a post wondering why Warrior Critical Block and what implications that has with Icecrown Radiance enacted, at the same time musing the sparsity of block-heavy gear. No CC gear has block rating on it. I still expect hard-hitting bosses in Icecrown to hit for NRB-enraged levels, boss hitting for 35k then no worries put a paladin or druid in front of it, hope the healers don't go OOM.

LiquidDeath · 11-03-2009, 03:17 PM

Day 1. Pretty late in the day, though.

gnomad · 11-03-2009, 03:25 PM

2 Day ones here and if they count beta farther back then that with the same accounts

Wombat · 11-03-2009, 03:27 PM

I'd have to think there are thousands of day one accounts currently active; those servers were pretty damn hammered on day one, if you recall. Ran the math and 75% of the people I know with day one accounts are currently active; who knows what date they pulled for the contest.

(I'm at 12:06. Why did I stop for lunch before installing!)

11-03-2009, 02:02 PM	#700 (permalink)
James You are just another normal! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,392	I've got a couple of day 1 accounts. I'm a goddamned shoe in, if I say so myself. __________________ Like a ship without an anchor, like a slave without a chain, just the thought of those sweet ladies sends a shiver through my veins. And I will go on shining, shining like brand new. I'll never look behind me, my troubles will be few. Goodbye stranger, it's been nice. Hope you find your paradise. Tried to see your point of view, hope your dreams will all come true. Goodbye Mary, goodbye Jane, will we ever meet again? Feel no sorrow, feel no shame. Come tomorrow, feel no pain.

11-03-2009, 02:44 PM	#702 (permalink)
Homercles cares not for beans! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sydney, Aus Posts: 10 -3 Internets	I don't like Jewelcrafting Being able to disenchant my own olde BoP crap when I get upgrades is great for enchanting but compared to Leatherworking or Jewelcrafting for profession-specific raiding perks it falls very short. If I dropped enchanting for JC I'd get an extra 42def for Anub at the expense of... nothing (60sta which is useless), raid-power wise. 42def is perhaps 1% avoidance, I can convert that to hit rating easily with gemming, it's a fucking huge buff for that fight where tanks have to scrape every bit of avoidance and block value from what's available to them. Jewelcrafting gets its own daily, enchanting gets no such thing. Now items can be traded in 5mans meaning enchanters are under a moral obligation to disenchant items other people won, and in the 3.3 cross-realm LFG system there's a new rolling system for enchanters to disenchant items for other people. Is there a point for this profession other than a source of abyss crystals each gear reset (2.4, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3) ? [edit] So all of that was a bit out of the blue. Erm, I was initially writing a post wondering why Warrior Critical Block and what implications that has with Icecrown Radiance enacted, at the same time musing the sparsity of block-heavy gear. No CC gear has block rating on it. I still expect hard-hitting bosses in Icecrown to hit for NRB-enraged levels, boss hitting for 35k then no worries put a paladin or druid in front of it, hope the healers don't go OOM. Last edited by Homercles; 11-03-2009 at 02:57 PM.. Reason: My avatar demands it

11-03-2009, 03:17 PM	#703 (permalink)
LiquidDeath Let's hug it out, bitches. Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 355 -11 Internets	Day 1. Pretty late in the day, though. Attached Images

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gnomad Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 334 -98 Internets	2 Day ones here and if they count beta farther back then that with the same accounts __________________ The light at the end of the tunnel is really an intense radioactive source whose gamma radiation is already killing you.

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11-02-2009, 04:14 PM	#692 (permalink)
Downhammer Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7 +0 Internets	Question regarding Icecrown Radiance: If bosses will now hit more often but for less each hit, does block value increase as a tanking stat? The percentage of total damage mitigated by block would increase if the per-hit damage decreases. Is this a buff for warriors/pallys, or is it still such a small percentage that its in the noise? Related question: against a single target can a bear crit enough to have their savage defense up for every incoming boss hit? Do we know enough yet from the PTR about how bosses are hitting to answer these?

11-02-2009, 08:22 PM	#693 (permalink)
Felonius Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Azeroth Posts: 357	the consensus I got from EJ is that block goes from worthless to nearly worthless given the change, bosses are still going to hit like trucks, just more often (not anub heroic truck, but still like a pick up)

11-03-2009, 02:06 PM	#701 (permalink)
BurnemWizfyre Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ingleside Texas Posts: 975 -34 Internets	Ive got 2

11-03-2009, 03:27 PM	#705 (permalink)
Wombat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 678 +0 Internets	I'd have to think there are thousands of day one accounts currently active; those servers were pretty damn hammered on day one, if you recall. Ran the math and 75% of the people I know with day one accounts are currently active; who knows what date they pulled for the contest. (I'm at 12:06. Why did I stop for lunch before installing!)