Next Everquest installment: Everquest "Next". - Page 33

Believe · 09-17-2009, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EmiliaEQ

For once i agree with Zehn, stuff was more "unexpected" in EQ than in WoW.
That however doesnt mean that WoW is suprise/exploit free.

I don't think anyone's claiming that WoW isn't surprise/exploit free to an extent.

But many exploits and tactics were pioneered in EQ, so it may have a lot to do with why it seems you were able to push the boundaries. Now, shit like kiting is standard (and abilities are designed to do it), but in EverQuest it was invented by the players with the abilities that were given.

Morsakin · 09-17-2009, 05:36 AM

Indeed Believe, there was a lot more ingenuity back in the original EQ days because many of the mechanics that most assume come standard with MMO's nowadays were just being pioneered at the time.

P.S. Every single MMO needs a plane of mischief; don't even change the name.

XadionDarkborn · 09-17-2009, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Morsakin

P.S. Every single MMO needs a plane of mischief; don't even change the name.

dont know why, but every time I was in PoM I half expected an 8bit link and or mario to just go running by for no apparent reason - just like chaseing bristlebane or something.

Sean · 09-17-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Goliath

Oh sorry Mr. FoH Elite. I Forgot I was inferior to you and don't know anything about the game because you cheated 99x more than I did =(. Please don't kill me and corpse camp me because I'm camping lucid shards? GO turn in more Swiftwinds so you can re-quest them.

I've never seen you pull FoH elitism before Sean, what's up with you? Having a bad life lately? Don't you get to play video games 24/7?

Again, sorry, you had more overall control in EQ than you do in WoW, if you think otherwise you're a WoW poster boy and just ridiculous or thinking like a narrow-minded turd.

What? That's not FoH elitism. You're just plain wrong. Don't be mad bro.

Reality bites, but you'll get through it. They have support groups for you guys still playing EQ. There's still time to save the bit of your brain that it hasn't rotted out yet.

Heavens_Myst · 09-17-2009, 12:31 PM

Sean list some hax u did bro, or link me to ur posts in the eq hacker thread

thx

XadionDarkborn · 09-17-2009, 12:43 PM

lulz...I think people not on veeshan had more issues with FoH than people ON veeshan/same server as FoH- there was only one time that I ran into FoH in terms of stepping on each others raid mobs and that was during Ssra they where equiping a new round of alts/recruits- they let us have key parts if we needed and rotting equip, and they where legit in their spawn claim- not like they showed up mid our raid and rolled us, they where there first we just didnt expect them as they where well in VT farm while we where breaking into ssra- anywho we just moved our camp to some of the other named mobs in luclin to equip our lower geared players.

all that to say, they where all usually civil and no more aggressive than any other guild v guild fighting for the same raid areas would be at any teir. Usually if you talk to someone of the same class as you they would help you out alot.

When the SK BOTB happend I was 1 level away from the level to enter, they called me to the arena for their practice- Scrips (CoE?CD? forget) I think Dregor...or was this before erudite sk--anywho but Farien(sp) and others- well I did a spar and got my ass kicked (duh) but staying and talking I learned alot.

That I think is the kind of thing many of us want in the next EQ or next MMO...

Sean · 09-17-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavens_Myst

Sean list some hax u did bro, or link me to ur posts in the eq hacker thread

thx

I'd rather wash out my cats' litter box than reminisce. But our bro Zehn will hook you up with a Gamecube and some natty ice bro.

Antoine · 09-17-2009, 12:58 PM

Sean I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Makata embracing his hypocrisy was one of the best trolls of all time, alright? Of all time.

Heavens_Myst · 09-17-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Antoine

Sean I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Makata embracing his hypocrisy was one of the best trolls of all time, alright? Of all time.

FYP!

Dumar · 09-17-2009, 02:33 PM

another eq? sigh, abandon hope all ye who enter.

here's the bottom line, and you can sugar-coat, euphemize, ignore or blindly disagree all you want.

this industry, post wow and onward, has made further and further use of nothing but single and limited multiplayer-minded design as a ginormous bandaid for an ineptitude to properly evolve the massive social and interactive dynamic that potentially these games all share. compound this with people's general laziness, refuse-to-lose mentality, and knuckle-dragging along on the path of least resistance (click4purples), and you have mmo gameplay design that is the same as multiplayer design; and it's influenced by the same as mentioned above: laziness, stupidity, and path2purple. if the engineering team has the expertise to make it feel great to click a button, then your design will achieve not just success, but wow-level success. and this is wow today, euphemisms and blinders aside. multiplayer design as an mmo for an excuse to garner subs. that's it.

mmo design should be about dynamically interacting with people, mobs, events, et al as you experience the world, both expectantly and unexpectedly. this has been missing for over a decade, and for this piece of trash industry to evolve, we need to get on this path again, this design scope, not the purples r' us handout line.

eqN has a chance. maybe, just maybe, they have the ingenuity necessary to evolve the social dynamic they made so many years ago (whether it came about accidentally or was emergent, doesn't matter; it was there). i don't have hope. i'll never have hope again. but i wish them well should they pursue that evolution instead of just being another copy of a big mac.

Goliath · 09-17-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

What? That's not FoH elitism. You're just plain wrong. Don't be mad bro.

Reality bites, but you'll get through it. They have support groups for you guys still playing EQ. There's still time to save the bit of your brain that it hasn't rotted out yet.

Yeah brah, just plain simple truth that makes me wrong for no particular reason. You exploited 10x more than me and I'm a scrub, but not because of FoH. Just because it's a fact. Damn you're cool!

I'll take going back to EQ every few years to play casually than to still be playing WoW. I quit WoW like 9 months ago or longer and you've done a whole 15 more bosses than I did when I quit LOL. Jesus H, people who go back to EQ at least do different things or explore the new content, but you're redoing the same thing over and over and over and over.

But, nm, you're FoH, so you're right, I'm wrong, and you're cool, I'm not.

Please do something with your life man. How cute that you deleted my visitor comment, since I had the balls to leave it publically instead of with rep. How cute that you couldn't take the heat so you deleted it, don't like truth, brah? I thought truth was whatchu was about brah? <----- P.S. This is what you type like when you post nothing constructive, full of insult, adhom and random bullshit.

Roz · 09-17-2009, 03:01 PM

I don't think he can do anything with his life really. From what I gather over the years he's a leiukemia or some fucked up disease guy that sits around smoking perscription pot and playing video games all day.

So he's a gamer/forum hero by necessity, and not really choice =/

Goliath · 09-17-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Roz

I don't think he can do anything with his life really. From what I gather over the years he's a leiukemia or some fucked up disease guy that sits around smoking perscription pot and playing video games all day.

So he's a gamer/forum hero by necessity, and not really choice =/

It's abstract. Means if you're going to be on a computer post something constructive, something that adds to conversation, rather than pulling out your FOH dick and slapping it on the table and saying you're superior and that's just a fact.

Sean · 09-17-2009, 03:15 PM

Fuck, you just don't get the hint do you.

Our mission failed, Antoine.

Shutup · 09-17-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavens_Myst

Sean list some hax u did bro, or link me to ur posts in the eq hacker thread

thx

I don't believe I've ever encountered a poster here that I've hated and loved so much at the same time.

09-17-2009, 12:58 PM	#488 (permalink)
Antoine Tells it like it is Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,136 -34 Internets	Sean I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Makata embracing his hypocrisy was one of the best trolls of all time, alright? Of all time. __________________ Antoinedruid - www.fhguild.net

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Sean <Team Ice> Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 6,381	Fuck, you just don't get the hint do you. Our mission failed, Antoine. __________________ SeanTSC

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09-17-2009, 05:36 AM	#482 (permalink)
Morsakin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 310 -16 Internets	Indeed Believe, there was a lot more ingenuity back in the original EQ days because many of the mechanics that most assume come standard with MMO's nowadays were just being pioneered at the time. P.S. Every single MMO needs a plane of mischief; don't even change the name.

09-17-2009, 12:31 PM	#485 (permalink)
Heavens_Myst Gentlemens Club Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The King Has Returned Posts: 1,723 -162 Internets	Sean list some hax u did bro, or link me to ur posts in the eq hacker thread thx

09-17-2009, 02:33 PM	#490 (permalink)
Dumar Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,496 -246 Internets	another eq? sigh, abandon hope all ye who enter. here's the bottom line, and you can sugar-coat, euphemize, ignore or blindly disagree all you want. this industry, post wow and onward, has made further and further use of nothing but single and limited multiplayer-minded design as a ginormous bandaid for an ineptitude to properly evolve the massive social and interactive dynamic that potentially these games all share. compound this with people's general laziness, refuse-to-lose mentality, and knuckle-dragging along on the path of least resistance (click4purples), and you have mmo gameplay design that is the same as multiplayer design; and it's influenced by the same as mentioned above: laziness, stupidity, and path2purple. if the engineering team has the expertise to make it feel great to click a button, then your design will achieve not just success, but wow-level success. and this is wow today, euphemisms and blinders aside. multiplayer design as an mmo for an excuse to garner subs. that's it. mmo design should be about dynamically interacting with people, mobs, events, et al as you experience the world, both expectantly and unexpectedly. this has been missing for over a decade, and for this piece of trash industry to evolve, we need to get on this path again, this design scope, not the purples r' us handout line. eqN has a chance. maybe, just maybe, they have the ingenuity necessary to evolve the social dynamic they made so many years ago (whether it came about accidentally or was emergent, doesn't matter; it was there). i don't have hope. i'll never have hope again. but i wish them well should they pursue that evolution instead of just being another copy of a big mac.

09-17-2009, 03:01 PM	#492 (permalink)
Roz Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 40 +1 Internets	I don't think he can do anything with his life really. From what I gather over the years he's a leiukemia or some fucked up disease guy that sits around smoking perscription pot and playing video games all day. So he's a gamer/forum hero by necessity, and not really choice =/