Next Everquest installment: Everquest "Next".

[Keystone]

Maybe I'm just sick in the head but I want the slow combat / camp spots back instead of button smashing and dungeon crawls. Was always one of the best things about EQ imo that you could sit in one spot and exp while you did other things without having to 100% focus on the game, but then again i'm a lazy fuck.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by Keystone

Maybe I'm just sick in the head but I want the slow combat / camp spots back instead of button smashing and dungeon crawls. Was always one of the best things about EQ imo that you could sit in one spot and exp while you did other things without having to 100% focus on the game, but then again i'm a lazy fuck.

Don't lie, you just want to alt tab and play Poker in 5 windows. We're onto you Keys. You're just pissed that I ran a mod to report you afk everytime I saw you in AV.

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by Goliath

You think a couple videos proves anything? Everyone knows there are leashes on mobs in WoW, and sure you can exploit them if you really want to

Oh Goliath, you're so funny sometimes. Mobs don't leash in instances and the leash is incredibly trivial to break in the open world. It's not even an exploit because for some quests you were required to do it if you wanted to do them legitimately.

but it's not like you can pull 40 mobs from all over the place in a normal manner like I could do in The Deep or Acrylia for AE.

Tell you what, you're so wrong I'm going to show you how wrong you are. I love and care about your mental well being so much I decided for shits and grins to go back to a zone I spent several days in PL'ing all my alts. I assure you, no exploits are used and no camera tricks or editing were necessary! This is me, AE'ing nearly 70+ mobs with no need to break the leash as there is none.

This is just one of them and the simplest one because I didn't feel like running all the way out to ST or ZF to do the longer ones. If you grabbed highway + detention block + spectators you could easily pull 100+ in BRD. (you can also get an idea for just how much I love unnecessary jumping too!)

Everyone who has played EQ and WoW knows you have way more control in EQ and can do a vast many more things with your character and the world than you can in restricted WoW.

I agree. I exploited the shit out of EQ. If you could abuse it's pathing or bug the terrain or any number of fun shit, I did it. However, you gave some shitty examples of things you felt you could do in EQ that you couldn't in WoW and I felt it my obligation as a fellow board member to point out you were wrong.

Now, can youcrash zones by fearing a linkdead player into a zone line? Does WoW allow you to abuse the shit out of log in invulnerability or push afk players over water by levitating them then watching them drown after levitate wears off?

No, of course not. But if you're going to give examples of ways you could break the game in EQ that WoW doesn't let you, at least give good ones.

If you'd pull your head out of the Blizzard cloud and stopped being such a WoW poster boy

You're right. I should stop posting about how terribly modular blizzard dungeon design is, how it's arena system is a boring quagmire of fotm comps, how it's BG system is crippled by their retardedly slow release system and lack of lattices in AV/IoC, how the 'bring the player' philosophy has been laughable and the million other things I've criticized WoW for.

I should also stop posting about how EQ dungeon design was nearly unequaled in it's depth and atmosphere, that the flavor items kept me engaged in the game even long after we had killed all the boss mobs for the week and that finding new and various ways to break the game was like a new and exciting adventure every patch.

I mean afterall, who am I to want a better gameplay experience? I should just pick one of the games and defend it to almost lunatic extremes and violently lash out at anyone that dares to suggest that there were some things that didn't work out or that other games mimic it in.

[Keystone]

pretty much

[Lenas]

Just to clarify, when I said WoW control mechanics, I meant camera manipulation, targeting, focusing and interface modification.

[Goliath]

You still don't understand. I said you could pull shit across zones in WoW if you really tried and fucking dragged them slowly by constantly casting on them and inching forward like a fucking snail. You can't just run across the zone after agro with complete freedom. You just have way too much time on your hands, ffs look at that 5 paragraph post.

When really it's as simple as this. EQ Character Control = More Control than WoW.

The end.

[Zehn - Vhex]

U mad bro?

[Goliath]

Doesn't matter what you post, you can't convince me that you have more control over your character, the environment and other NPC's in WoW than you did in EQ.

Know why?

Because you don't have to be a l33t raider who players 14 hours a day to understand how your character and the game mechanics work, how your character can interact with the world.

Know why?

Because you just have to be a regular mother fucker, just like myself, who plays the game casual.

Know why?

Because just by leveling to 80 you experience the control involved in the game by killing monsters and trying to escape from them when you are about to die and trying to survive a difficult pull when you get too many mobs and have to be inovative.

I really don't know any people that think there is more overall control in WoW than there was in EQ. You're the only one.

Know why?

Because when it comes to anything WoW vs. EQ. You will post any amount of shit to convince everyone that WoW is superior and EQ is flawed.

Know why?

I have no fucking clue, you're obsessed and thus oblivious I guess.

[Tred]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Know why?

I have no fucking clue I guess.

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

How you can compare EQ control vs. WoW control as far as what he meant when he posted that is laughable at best.

[Lenas]

Believe me. Play WoW for a while and then go back to EQ. The lack of a good third person camera will drive you insane.

[Wolfen]

Originally Posted by Lenas

Believe me. Play WoW for a while and then go back to EQ. The lack of a good third person camera will drive you insane.

Amen to that.

[Tred]

The F9 camera options EQ gave you always baffled me. They were fucking horrendous. Ohhh nice I can move the camera 30 feet above me but can hardly look up or down to see a damn thing. FANTASTIC!

[Tolanin]

WoWs character controls, particularly camera controls and being able to move with the mouse were nice.. you do get used to not having third person, after a week or two without it you wont miss it much, and it is more immersing to not have it.

[Kuro]

Wait, you can play EQ in not-first-person?

[Pren]

Originally Posted by Lenas

Believe me. Play WoW for a while and then go back to EQ. The lack of a good third person camera will drive you insane.

Didn't they patch this in recently?

When I played WoW back in the day, I remember going "Oh look, a hill, I'll just run up it and... GOD FUCKING DAMNIT" because the hills in so many places looked like you should be able to just walk up them trivially, but oh no, no, you have to take the correct path. It wasn't like that back in EQ. Fuckin' kalimdor hills. The best part about flight form was no more god damn hills.

Remember back in original WoW when you could charge halfway across a zone because Charge could do any path as long as your target was within 25 yards originally? Charging down to Herod at lightning speed bouncing down the steps was beyond cool. Course, it got nerfed. And so did chaining whirlwind procs from herod's axe. And levitate got nerfed because you floated too far. And so forth.

Anyway, of course there are places in WoW where you can easily train. But you know why it's video recorded and on youtube? Because it's significant enough to record, whereas you could do that anywhere you wanted in EQ. EverQuest was the god of trains.

Gating froglok, or running kobold? Holy fuck EVERY MOTHERFUCKER HIT THE DECK.

Plane of hate was like chopping your dick off with a paper cutter every pull, and I know basically no one here ever raided Umbral plains for trash drops on luclin (godddd it sucked bad), but you could chain aggro so much shit there it was like plane of fear where you'd look at the hill on the horizon and it would just literally start crawling as stuff poured over it.

Not to mention western wastes, or aggroing pre-root vulak.

Ahh, memories.

edit: I kited an ancient stone guardian thing from un'goro to ogrimmar through feralas and stonetalon and kept it banished at the auction house for a while. That was definitely amusing.