[WoW] 4.0 - Cataclysm

[Elerion]

Blizzard also caught excessive amounts of flak for the Draenei/Eredar (and lesser degree Blood Elf) retcon. I think they will avoid retconing on that scale in the future.

Not that writing Pandaren/Worgen to horde/alliance would be all that hard.

[Zaphid]

Gameplay>lore, if you think otherwise, you are fucking retarded.

Also: Goblins ! Choose your faction ! do you wear red underpants or blue underpants ? Now you can collect bear asses for a faction of your choice! Do every quest twice ! Horde, now with ugly green midgets ! We are adding unique goblin class that will be required for every raid ! It's name is Maka...

Sorry there, my hand almost choked me.

[Pyksel]

Originally Posted by Azrayne

The lore can pretty much be altered to match whatever the fuck Blizzard want, BC demonstrated this perfectly (Draenei are actually Eredar and are both shamanistic and holy, blood elves are on the horde and using demonic magic except they're enslaving the light except they're not). etc etc. Lore takes the back seat to gameplay, always has.

I'm not suggesting that Blizzard can't alter their lore so there's no reason to nerdrage over it Azrayne. It's merely speculation.

I also agree that gameplay trumps lore any day of the week.

[Azrayne]

You have a fairly liberal definition of 'nerdrage' if that post qualifies :|

[Javvo]

Originally Posted by chthonic-anemos

New races won't be too bad if they keep adding +experience heirlooms or work 1 +exp product in to every tradeskill.

On the note of heirlooms with exp bonuses, my guess is they're going to have to limit the level they can add experience to per expansion. In other words, they'll have to limit the current heirloom gear to only grant experience up to level 80. Otherwise we'll all be using those to level with when the new expansion comes out (which I'd be fine with, but Blizzard won't).

[Tenks]

I haven't played WoW since TBC ... is there really any difference between a hero class and a normal one outside of the starting level

[Pyksel]

Originally Posted by Feduke

Were Blademaster and Arch Druid not the two hero classes being discussed for this expansion?

I seem to remember reading a write up with some info on them.

The Archdruid has been rumored to show up when the Emerald Dream arrives which was also rumored to be presented with the Maelstrom expansion.

Emerald Dream -- WoW.com
Tigole talks about Inscription and Hero Classes in Wrath

Other fun rumors to check out:
Rumor: WoW Expansion Details Leaked
World of Warcraft Expansion Set Change Notes [Archive] - Unofficial World of Warcraft Forums

[Nar]

Pretty sure Blizzard doesn't give a shit about nerd-raging over lore. Bitch and whine as they may, every one of them will be standing in line at the midnight release anyway, then buying whatever terrible book Blizzard publishes to explain the "newly found allies".

[Teron D'Amun]

Originally Posted by Tenks

I haven't played WoW since TBC ... is there really any difference between a hero class and a normal one outside of the starting level

if the death knight is an incidation, they will start at a higher level with kickass gear and will be extremly overpowered at the start, only to be nerfed down later after Blizzard sold enough expansion boxes

[Pyksel]

Originally Posted by Tenks

I haven't played WoW since TBC ... is there really any difference between a hero class and a normal one outside of the starting level

The DK starting area/quest is (imho) one of the best in the game. You acquire a full set of blue gear, have a unique resource system, get a free mount, and start at level 55.

[Palum]

Originally Posted by Azrayne

The only issue I can see is that they'd have to work in a bunch of new animations for hand to hand combat, since runemasters are monk style martial arts fighters, but I can't imagine that's too hard.

The bigger issue is probably what they'd do for gear. There's no cloth that has melee stats and no fist weapons that have caster stats. Also, they kinda played out the whole rune resource system with the DK to some extent.

Either way I hope they make the next class have 3 distinct talent trees. Most hybrids have the feel of having a 'sub-class' with notable distinction between them whereas DK play is too similar between specs to really care about respeccing.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Palum

The bigger issue is probably what they'd do for gear. There's no cloth that has melee stats and no fist weapons that have caster stats. Also, they kinda played out the whole rune resource system with the DK to some extent.

Either way I hope they make the next class have 3 distinct talent trees. Most hybrids have the feel of having a 'sub-class' with notable distinction between them whereas DK play is too similar between specs to really care about respeccing.

They could have them use leather? Could also simply have them gear up on healing cloth(only one class using it atm, besides higher tier of armor users) and have a base ability that converts spellpower into AP(reversed DK system). The runesystem can be used other ways too, VG's Disciple uses basically a combo point system(only with up to 20 combo points) and you use a certain amount of these points to fuel heals specials(while rogue always uses up all of them). There's lots of ways to make it work, they just need to feel like doing it.

[Kuro]

I was always confused why the went with making Survival a pure ranged tree instead of just upping its melee prowess from the bargain-basement and being "beastlord"ish, meleeing with your pet.

I mean, fuck, Hunters with fist weapons, wearing leather, Feign Deathing, and even "HUNTER ITEM" tards to match "MONK ITEM" tards from Alla's. It made sense

More MMOs need monks.

[Grave]

Originally Posted by Palum

Also, they kinda played out the whole rune resource system with the DK to some extent.

They could have them use the rune system in the opposite way.

DK = has existing runes and uses them to perform abilities, then waits for cooldown on runes.

Runemaster = uses abilities to fill the runes (any combination they need) and then uses those runes to unleash stronger finishing moves.

[Kaige]

I just want to play as a nagah, fuck everything else. I don't care if they don't even let you wear foot armor because of it, bring on the nagahs!