[WoW] 3.2 - Call of the Crusade

[Ronne]

Originally Posted by Itzena

everyone and their dog looked at the state of the various tradeskills when WotLK launched and went "Why the fuck should I pick anything other than JC (or maybe BS)?"

That's kind of what I'm looking at. I took engineering because it was fun back in vanilla days (net gun was so win), but now there seems very little reason not to be in JC (with BS and maybe enchanting being fairly close seconds). The little tinkers and stuff I get area neat, but hardly good enough to replace any kind of high end enchants, and while the goggles were nice at level 78 or whenever it was I made them, I've now passed on at least 3 epic head items that were just as good, if not better, than them and that is only from doing 10man junk and a bit of naxx25.

And why does the mechano hog thing cost like 10k gold? I found out about it at like 410 engineering and thought "oh, cool, something to replace my deathknight horse with", then I saw the price of the parts -_-

[The Ancient]

It's not JC vs. Engineering as much as it's Engineering vs. Everything else.

Enchanting is still a great money maker if you can afford to level it.

[brekk]

Even with the loss of prismatics JC is still amazingly good like Blacksmithing because it is customizable. All the other tradeskills provide bonusses in specific stat (generally HP, AP, Spell Power) where as JC and BS are adjustable to specific specs. On my pally he uses 3 +Strs in his Ret gear and 2 +Sta and 1 +Def in his prot gear. A warrior could get 3 +Str gems, or 3 +Armor Penetration.

No matter your class or spec, it can always be optimized to the best stats for your specific needs.

[DavivMcD]

Originally Posted by Erumaron

I don't think anybody said its impossible to heal without raid frames/mods and what not...you're doing yourself a disservice by not using them though. Like somebody said, not having to target every heal is pretty amazingly win. I can't imagine clicking each person and casting Power Word: Shield while playing my disc priest. Shift + Left Click spam please.

I've never healed so I could be wrong, but couldn't you just make sure 'Auto Self Cast' is off, have all your heals/bubbles/cleanses on your main action bar, and just heal people in the default raid UI with "1 + click", "2 + click", etc? Throw in the focus cast key that's in the default UI as well and I don't see why this would be so difficult to heal a tank and spot heal while never switching targets. I get why Grid helps a little, but going from "1 + click" to "shift-click" doesn't seem that game-changing an improvement to me.

[Lejina Bloodbath]

Originally Posted by Zaphid

Also no bossmods? ever ? I call BS.

As if bossmods is required. I turned it off somewhere mid TBC and havn't missed it.

[Zehn - Vhex]

A lot of boss abilities are baked right into the default UI now anyways. Also depends on your job in a fight. You could probably get away with the UI off completely as most dps classses. The default raid frames are just incredibly bulky but sufficient for healing. Plus alot of UI purists have people barking the important shit over vent anyways.

These days it's more about convenience then necessity. I use pally power because it's less annoying. I use grid because it takes up far less space. I use DBM because I like to know when shit is about to hit the fan and not rely on other people to tell me. And so forth.

Anyways...

In 3.2 engineering won't be too bad for DPS classes. It's just a lot more work. Personally I'm sticking with ench/jc because it's just easier to be able to cut my own gems and enchant my own gear after raids. Just convenient that JC turned out to be so damned awesome. <3

[Zhaun's_Shade]

I think a lot of people underestimate the modern UI, it has a lot of good stuff built in now. More than enough to do your job well.

All those years of healing I've had very few complaints and was able to do whatever job was asked of me and was always invited to raids. Actually, they refused to bring me to C'thun, but that was it. I still bet I could have done better than several of those that were brought, but oh well, saved me a lot of cash on repairs.

UI mods just always felt like they cheapen the game for me. If I can't win using the defauult UI, it just doesn't feel like victory.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

UI mods just always felt like they cheapen the game for me. If I can't win using the defauult UI, it just doesn't feel like victory.

Yeah, that's just retarded on your part. UI mods for the most part are entirely cosmetic. They make things prettier/easier to read. There's nothing "cheap" about that and they don't play the game for you.

However, the big thing for Boss Mods now is actually Sound events - DBM's in particular are much easier to notice and respond to than yet another visual queue in a screen that's already full of information.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yeah, that's just retarded on your part. UI mods for the most part are entirely cosmetic. They make things prettier/easier to read. There's nothing "cheap" about that and they don't play the game for you.

Again, the default UI does everything I need it too.

[mek]

No need for this debate a 100th time.

[Goofy]

I play a druid as my alt and i can honestl say on patch days when my UI gets destroyed, I find myself unable to heal without clique/grid.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Again, the default UI does everything I need it too.

Yeah, it does. You're just retarded for saying that something cosmetic cheapens things. You're not better than someone because you use something that most of us find displeasing to the eyes.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yeah, it does. You're just retarded for saying that something cosmetic cheapens things. You're not better than someone because you use something that most of us find displeasing to the eyes.

Never said I was. I feel it cheapens the game for me and I enjoy it less. I could give a fuck about what you think.

Also, if it is mearly cosmetic, how does it cripple so many people that some guilds find themselves unable to raid on patch days until updates to their mods come in?

I don't know what they do, change colors or give blowjobs. I do know that when they stop working people start breaking down and crying.

Anyway, my point was twofold: First, you don't need mods to melee and heal as a paladin. Second, it sounds like many of you don't know what the default UI does anymore, it isn't the same as it was at launch.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Never said I was. I feel it cheapens the game for me and I enjoy it less. I could give a fuck about what you think.

Also, if it is mearly cosmetic, how does it cripple so many people that some guilds find themselves unable to raid on patch days until updates to their mods come in?

I don't know what they do, change colors or give blowjobs. I do know that when they stop working people start breaking down and crying.

Anyway, my point was twofold: First, you don't need mods to melee and heal as a paladin. Second, it sounds like many of you don't know what the default UI does anymore, it isn't the same as it was at launch.

Maybe a holy pally can get away with the default UI for healing but show me a resto druid that uses the default UI and ill show you a shitty resto druid.

There is absolutely no way you can keep track of 12-15 hots while maintaining lifebloom uptime using the default ui. No timers = no way.

[Laven]

I have been hit with this damn Authenticating issue all day almost, I wanna get my Bloodsail Admiral title sometime tonight damnit! I would comment on the heal mod debate but I have only done alittle of naxx10 and thats it on my pally outside of heroics. But all I have as far as mods for healing goes is Grid.