[WoW] 3.2 - Call of the Crusade

[regret]

Originally Posted by Lweniel

AFAIK:

2: 8

Has this been noted somewhere? People were saying five for a while, and currently on the PTR they cost four tokens. I wouldn't be surprised if they doubled in price, I'm just curious where eight comes from.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Xequecal

The reason they're clueless is if you're not using Grid or Healbot or a similar mod that lets you heal without switching targets, SoW doesn't do anything. Meleeing with SoW and healing is something you pretty much can't do with the base UI, you need a specific mod to make it work. I suppose you could /focus the the tank and heal him while meleeing, but as soon as you need to heal someone else it falls apart. The focus target is really restricted on what you're allowed to do with it.

Originally Posted by mek

It's crazy to me, that people play healers without Clique. Like, it blows my mind. I guess you can replicate most of the functionality in the base UI by making target=mouseover macros for all of your healing spells, though. But being able to make combination keypress/mousepresses which can conjure up your entire spellbook like you're playing Street Fighter, well, it pwns.

I healed in a top server guild from MC to Vashj as a Priest, Druid then Paladin and never used a healing mod.

With the base UI I have been able to melee and heal for years, at least since Burning Crusade (I play Horde and without Paladins before that there was no reason to do both as priest or druid).

The only mod I ever used was Omen, which I normally minimized when healing anyways. I never understood people's absolute need for all these mods that make the game easier or half-play the game for you.

I still haven't figured out Focus yet either :P

[Zaphid]

You *can* play the game without UI mods, it is theoretically beatable without them, that doesn't mean you wouldn't do better without them, make less mistakes, have higher DPS/HPS etc. Some addons walk the line between making the game friendlier to use and cheating but don't try to parade with a "I'm UI purist" flag, I would go as far as saying that any guild worth their salt would /gkick you if they found out that you fucked up with healing and disagree to use any mod that makes it easier.

Also no bossmods? ever ? I call BS.

[Scaffa]

I'm sure the 4 token cost is just for the PTR.

[Scaffa]

I healed in a top server guild from MC to Vashj as a Priest, Druid then Paladin and never used a healing mod.

Are you that guy who says "recount pls" after every boss, as if the people who use it are simply there so you don't have to?

[Erumaron]

I don't think anybody said its impossible to heal without raid frames/mods and what not...you're doing yourself a disservice by not using them though. Like somebody said, not having to target every heal is pretty amazingly win. I can't imagine clicking each person and casting Power Word: Shield while playing my disc priest. Shift + Left Click spam please.

[regret]

I imagine he could use mouseover macros with default Blizzard raid frames, but they are needlessly bulky and don't display half the information of a mod like Grid.

[Valishar]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

The only mod I ever used was Omen, which I normally minimized when healing anyways. I never understood people's absolute need for all these mods that make the game easier or half-play the game for you.

It's like running the 100 meter dash with a pair of clogs. Sure you can do it and if you're really good you can win too, but it's a lot easier and less painful with a pair of running shoes fit to the job. There's no point handicapping yourself for no good reason.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Scaffa

I'm sure the 4 token cost is just for the PTR.

If that were the case, why wouldn't it just be 0?

[Ronne]

So is JC just the end all of tradeskills? I like my engineering goggles and all, but between those tanking trinkets, the unique gems and that daily quest in dalaran (which looks like a huge money maker), it's getting harder and harder to justify not just canning engineering for it.

[Tuco]

JC isn't the end all of tradeskills. It just has a lot of advantages that others don't. I can't speak for making money though.

Picking a profession? BOP Benefits in WOTLK (updated for 3.0.8) - Professions - Wowhead Forums

Has some good info on what the in-raid advantages of each profession are. In general, JC/BS/Enc/Tailoring/Alchemy have very similar advantages in different ways. JC/BS are still the best though because of their customization ability.

I like enchanting best though, because I can make a very good 'passive' income by disenchanting all the shit I pick up. Pretty much all my characters have enchanting. Every abyss crystal is 70-90g on my server, and I get a lot of them.

Depending on how rich you are, you may want to look towards Patch 3.2.0 - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft to see what professions are best, but that list there is incomplete.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by Ronne

So is JC just the end all of tradeskills? I like my engineering goggles and all, but between those tanking trinkets, the unique gems and that daily quest in dalaran (which looks like a huge money maker), it's getting harder and harder to justify not just canning engineering for it.

JC is the best if you can operate in bulk and spend a lot of time on it. The profit margin on dusts/essences/gems is pretty thin now on most servers. To make huge profits from JC you need to buy 500 stacks of ore, prospect all of it, craft green rings out of the red, orange, yellow, and blue gems, disenchant all those greens, and split them up into small stacks to put on the AH. Then you need to watch the prices of the various cuts of red, orange, and yellow gems and cut yours appropriately for max profit.

If you don't have the patience for that, just stick with mining.

[Itzena]

And, of course, the margins for JC are that thin because everyone and their dog looked at the state of the various tradeskills when WotLK launched and went "Why the fuck should I pick anything other than JC (or maybe BS)?" combined with the fact that the general playerbase of WoW wouldn't recognize opportunity cost if it buggered them with a razor-edged strapon.

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Xequecal

JC is the best if you can operate in bulk and spend a lot of time on it. The profit margin on dusts/essences/gems is pretty thin now on most servers. To make huge profits from JC you need to buy 500 stacks of ore, prospect all of it, craft green rings out of the red, orange, yellow, and blue gems, disenchant all those greens, and split them up into small stacks to put on the AH. Then you need to watch the prices of the various cuts of red, orange, and yellow gems and cut yours appropriately for max profit.

If you don't have the patience for that, just stick with mining.

I dont waste my time buying, mining, or prospecting ore. I just buy gems on the AH. I buy BCHS's(bloodstone,chalce,huge cit,sun crystal) for 1g or less each, buy eternal earths for 7g or less.

I've got a spreadsheet setup that calculates values of the enchanting mats and my costs to make them. At my current material costs it costs me 1.53g per Infinite Dust, 4.60g per Greater Cosmic Essence, 6.90g per Large Dream Shard. I can easily sell all three for 2 times those costs.

Most of my money comes from the above along with some playing of the Nobles markets buying and selling cards/decks, and buying/reselling major items i catch well below market price (eternals, arctic furs, scarlet rubies, etc)

Ive been trying to snag titanium ore stacks I catch cheap. I'm still debating whether to try and make money off buying cut patterns, or just buying the ones i absolutely need for my own characters and then just trying to flip the titanium ore I've got stocked up for profitz.

[Xequecal]

I wish I could buy the green gems for 1g each. They're generally 2g each on my server.