[WoW] 3.2 - Call of the Crusade

[BurnemWizfyre]

Prolly still want to get your healers the legendary as well, all healers with that thing proc'ing and building shields could be a thing of beauty.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by Vinen

Druids haven't been the best tanks in the game yet this expansion. Name one fight where they are.

Best Melee DPS yes. Best Tank? no.

Druids already take significantly less damage than DKs with the current patch. They have about 3000 more armor and ~3% more avoidance in BiS gear. DKs are still favored for the 1000-1500 extra HP and far superior cooldowns.

After this patch the cooldowns are the same and the Druid armor advantage is closer to 5000, and the HP totals are equal. They also have a small avoidance advantage. There remains no real reason to use a DK over a Druid, ever, anymore.

Remember Druids can also use Furious Gladiator for tanking if they can get it, which is FAR superior to any PvE tank gear. ~150 more stamina, ~50 more agility, and ~300 more armor than T8 when raid buffed. This pushes the gap out even wider.

The gap between Druids and DKs for tanking in these patch notes is larger than the gap between DKs and PAL/WAR was in 3.0.

[Vinen]

Originally Posted by Xequecal

Druids already take significantly less damage than DKs with the current patch. They have about 3000 more armor and ~3% more avoidance in BiS gear. DKs are still favored for the 1000-1500 extra HP and far superior cooldowns.

After this patch the cooldowns are the same and the Druid armor advantage is closer to 5000, and the HP totals are equal. They also have a small avoidance advantage. There remains no real reason to use a DK over a Druid, ever, anymore.

Remember Druids can also use Furious Gladiator for tanking if they can get it, which is FAR superior to any PvE tank gear. ~150 more stamina, ~50 more agility, and ~300 more armor than T8 when raid buffed. This pushes the gap out even wider.

The gap between Druids and DKs for tanking in these patch notes is larger than the gap between DKs and PAL/WAR was in 3.0.

Yes, I know this. My comment was PRE NOT POST.

I know what my class can use.
The fact that our BIS gear even includes PvP gear is beyond fucking retarded.

I had completely forgotten about Thorim for this reason. I detest the way PvP is implemented in WoW to the point I forget or disacknowlege it's existence.

[Tropics]

Originally Posted by Citten

It makes farming for orbs a lot easier at least, and a huge bump to casuals.

I am a casual in nothing but Naxx gear and I think it is idiotic. I would rather have to achieve something new to get my upgrades, not I can do heroic VH in a pug and get conquest badges and get all decked out. Weeee fun?

[Xequecal]

Paladins might actually be the new top tanks with these patch changes, the new Ardent Defender is, at worst, +10.5% HP straight up. Given the large damage amounts Ulduar bosses hit for it's going to be closer to +15% HP most of the time. They have +12% STA on top of that.

[Fadaar]

Curious to see the new dps numbers for Seal of Vengeance and Seal of Command, at least compared to what I can do now with Martyr.

[Zakas]

wait..wait wait... rogues with axes?.


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[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Zakas

wait..wait wait... rogues with axes?.


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I can see it. Something like that Magua guy from Last of the Mohicans duel wielding 2 small hand axes. Thought, it didn't really save him..

[Bristlebane]

I haven't played WoW since a month or two after the last expansion came out, but FUCKING A, they finally put a timer on WSG. Whoever did that after it was suggested likely literally tens of thousands of times should get a fucking bonus.

[Kuro]

Originally Posted by Zakas

wait..wait wait... rogues with axes?.


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It is only a matter of time until 2-Handed Backstab in the "Subtlety" Tree.

[Juvarisx]

As a dps plate class you could get:
2 pieces of tier 8.5 (chest and helm)
crafted belt from orbs - Belt of the Titans - Item - World of Warcraft
crafted boots from orbs - Battlelord's Plate Boots - Item - World of Warcraft
conquest neck - Spiked Battleguard Choker - Item - World of Warcraft
conquest gloves - Bladebreaker Gauntlets - Item - World of Warcraft
Libram or Sigil if applicable
And if you really wanted:
Valor Ring, cloak, and 2 tier 7.5 pieces (legs and shoulders)

only doing 5 mans. Granted that's a shit load of badges but its amusing it can be done that way now.

[Citten]

Originally Posted by Tropics

I am a casual in nothing but Naxx gear and I think it is idiotic. I would rather have to achieve something new to get my upgrades, not I can do heroic VH in a pug and get conquest badges and get all decked out. Weeee fun?

It's not like WoW was ever fair with the distinction between loot attainability and work. It has always allowed for the up and comer to get close to the guy that busted his ass.

High end content being trivialized for the masses after weeks of hardcores busting their asses to no end?

Complete resets in gear levels with pvp seasons? Expansion changes resulting in greens being better than purples? A collect 10 quest in wrath wasn't grand compared to pulling off illidan, but my trinket slot changed as a result.

Spending 600g on a horse, how much work went into that 100% speed purple? New guy now comes along and spends 60g on it.

Sorry that you're casual Timmy getting handouts you don't want. Yes, it should diminish your ability to feel like your doing something meaningful, maybe you should step-up? I don't know.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Juvarisx

As a dps plate class you could get:
2 pieces of tier 8.5 (chest and helm)
crafted belt from orbs - Belt of the Titans - Item - World of Warcraft
crafted boots from orbs - Battlelord's Plate Boots - Item - World of Warcraft
conquest neck - Spiked Battleguard Choker - Item - World of Warcraft
conquest gloves - Bladebreaker Gauntlets - Item - World of Warcraft
Libram or Sigil if applicable
And if you really wanted:
Valor Ring, cloak, and 2 tier 7.5 pieces (legs and shoulders)

only doing 5 mans. Granted that's a shit load of badges but its amusing it can be done that way now.

Sorry if I missed it when reading, but the new 5 man instance will drop Emblems of Conquest?

[Juvarisx]

Every instance and raid will drop Conquest except the new raids

Any dungeons that previously dropped Emblems of Heroism or Valor, such as Naxxramas or Heroic Halls of Stone, will now drop Emblems of Conquest instead. Emblems of Conquest can still be converted to Valor or Heroism.

[meStevo]

Originally Posted by Salshun

Sorry if I missed it when reading, but the new 5 man instance will drop Emblems of Conquest?

Everywhere where Valor and Heroism used to drop are now Conquest, the new instance drops Triumph.

The problem with the crafted items above being easy to get is probably going to be Titansteel Bars and Eternals. Some good $$ to be had there.