The random WoW/other MMO shit thread

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Frantic

For wow pvp which healer is the boss these days? Are druids still king for arenas / Bgs? Trying to decide between priest and druid. I want to do 3s and 2s.

Believe druids are the best atm, but they weren't until last few patches, they became good when they removed DK's anti hot stuff pretty much. Paladins are also good, a lot even go prot for additional tools(Avenger's Shield as a 30s cooldown 4s duration ranged silence, and divine plea refreshes/undispellable). Priests are also good, depends on the setups, RMP is still the king of 3s assuming you have good players, and Priest/Rogue still works fine for 2s. Shamans are trash currently, might change with 3.2 but who knows.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Back to EQ1, is there a non-main healer these days? Paladin? Everyone else has to main heal I take it?

[Big W Powah!]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Back to EQ1, is there a non-main healer these days? Paladin? Everyone else has to main heal I take it?

shaman/cleric/druid all main heal. They all also have secondary roles that they are expected to fill outside of that primary role.

For clerics, its beat on shit/toss up the couple debuffs you do have.

For druids, its nuke/toss up the atk debuffs

For shaman, its debuff/use the short duration dps enhancing buffs effectively

Paladins are capable of tossing a few heals out there, and making a good backup healer to a main healer. The same can be said of a well played beastlord/ranger too, though. You can buy time for that big heal to land if you play it smart. Paladins are the best at it. Rangers are great for ghetto CC, great DPS, and great pulling. Beastlords are excellent mana regen, good DPS, and debuffs.

Bards can use their crescendo line as an okay heal, but its more designed to be mana regen. It does have a heal component, and is good if the group is taking light ae damage; but it should just be used every reuse anyways.


I suggest playing an enchanter/mage though. Really, any melee class will have you crying yourself to sleep at night, imo.

[Draz]

Originally Posted by Pyros

They're the same spell so no they don't stack, with enough spell demonic pact becomes better than totem of wrath however(well as long as your pet is alive and hitting the boss).

Thing is, you get more survivability out of siphon life than anything in deep demo including metamorphosis. You also won't solo northrend instances anyway, unless you're really bored, and I'm pretty sure it'd still be easier with affliction healing than with deep demo damage increases. With Siphon, you basically heal for whatever damage you take on normal mobs with soul link, so you can pull as many mobs as you can reach and usually do just fine, you do end up losing mana that way, but you can howl of terror then bandage while mobs are dieing and have 0 downtime.

I beleive the math from EJ said 2800 SPell power for it to be better than totem of wrath. I could be wrong though.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Draz

I beleive the math from EJ said 2800 SPell power for it to be better than totem of wrath. I could be wrong though.

Yeah think it was around that, which is rather easy to get as demo spec, had like 2100 when I hit 80 in quest greens/instance quest blues. You easily reach it before the end of naxx, but there's still issues associated with it, like the fact the pet can die and that it's boring as shit to play.

[Big W Powah!]

Originally Posted by Pyros

Yeah think it was around that, which is rather easy to get as demo spec, had like 2100 when I hit 80 in quest greens/instance quest blues. You easily reach it before the end of naxx, but there's still issues associated with it, like the fact the pet can die and that it's boring as shit to play.

Really? I've always found pet management to be a fun aspect to games in EQ2/EQ. Never really done a pet class in WoW but I intend to get a hunter to 80 after I do my lock and decide on which I enjoy playing more.


I do have a question though, for going back and soloing old shit, like all the vanilla 5 mans, some TBC 5 mans, maybe ZG/MC, which is better? Hunter/Warlock?

I'm thinking hunter, so let me ask this; is Warlock viable at it at all?

[Kuro]

Hunter is better for going back, as long as you can get the old armor set (t4?) that heals your pet whenever you deal damage. You can pretty easily keep a pet up through raid-level incoming damage with that setup.

[Big W Powah!]

Originally Posted by Kuro

Hunter is better for going back, as long as you can get the old armor set (t4?) that heals your pet whenever you deal damage. You can pretty easily keep a pet up through raid-level incoming damage with that setup.

Thats 2T5. My sister was a hunter =\.

15% of your damage heals pet. If thats the only thing that makes hunters better; Warlocks get that as a top level talent in the demo tree; only have to invest 2 points out of your normal spec for that...With that in mind, wouldn't that make them semi-equal?


I'd of figured that FD would be a huge tool, as opposed to the extra pet healing.

[Kuro]

Originally Posted by Big W Powah!

Thats 2T5. My sister was a hunter =\.

15% of your damage heals pet. If thats the only thing that makes hunters better; Warlocks get that as a top level talent in the demo tree; only have to invest 2 points out of your normal spec for that...With that in mind, wouldn't that make them semi-equal?


I'd of figured that FD would be a huge tool, as opposed to the extra pet healing.

The Hunter pet has better aggro and toughness after the nerfs Warlocks took for using their Voidy in relevant content. Elitist Jerks has a thread in the hunter section where they discuss the raid soloing with the pets.

Warp Stalker is also the God Pet for tanking single target huge critters. He can evade something silly like 75% of incoming damage.

[Big W Powah!]

Originally Posted by Kuro

The Hunter pet has better aggro and toughness after the nerfs Warlocks took for using their Voidy in relevant content. Elitist Jerks has a thread in the hunter section where they discuss the raid soloing with the pets.

Warp Stalker is also the God Pet for tanking single target huge critters. He can evade something silly like 75% of incoming damage.

Wow, crazy; theres gotta be a nerf to that. What nerfs? Void tanking 3drake? Last I heard, it was still viable.

Also, by that, I'm assuming warlocks suck for going back and soloing old content then? Thats a bit disappointing, then. I was hoping to be able to do it with the lock.

Then again, maybe I should just make a hunter; how hard is t5 to get at 80?

[Kuro]

Originally Posted by Big W Powah!

Wow, crazy; theres gotta be a nerf to that. What nerfs? Void tanking 3drake? Last I heard, it was still viable.

Pretty hefty HP nerf, and the Voidy isn't exactly a paragon of threat generation to begin with, limiting the amount of damage you can do.

But I'm not a Hunter, so I only have passing knowledge of how it works. But it works

[Big W Powah!]

Originally Posted by Kuro

Pretty hefty HP nerf, and the Voidy isn't exactly a paragon of threat generation to begin with, limiting the amount of damage you can do.

But I'm not a Hunter, so I only have passing knowledge of how it works. But it works

Ouch. Whelp, at the very least I can push the limits and see whats doable. Maybe a deep affliction build'll be able to solo some things by drain-tanking.

At the very least, I can push the envelope of whats possible.

[Pyros]

Well a lock solod MC at least, so I guess you could solo ZG too, Kara probably and some other random stuff.

As for hunters, they're pretty nice, and pet management matters more for hunters than it does for locks, mostly because felguard is basically just turning cleave autocast on and pressing pet follow/pet attack to avoid AEs when they can actually hit pets, while hunters have Call of the Wild and that other buff and if you're crazy you can also time the wolf howls yourself instead of autocasting it for better efficiency.

As for soloing old content, 2T5 would be hard as shit to get unless you do the crappy PUG raids, T5 is SSC/TK which fucking blows. Once you have it you can solo quite a lot for sure, and you can always rely on the old path error kiting shit and all.

Not sure which is better, but Blood DKs and Protadins are better than both. Soloing old content gets old really fast(stupid pun intended), shit takes forever and there's rarely anything worth it.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Big W Powah!

For clerics, its beat on shit/toss up the couple debuffs you do have.

Clerics melee with effect now?

[chu]

The battle for undercity quest from Dragonblight is just about the worst quest I've ever done. Everything about it is meant to piss you off from the 5 min wait time before the quest even starts to the ~35 minute long duration. I've never been so bored out of my mind doing a quest.

such an epic failure.