The random WoW/other MMO shit thread

[Zest]

Shaman are arguably the worst healers in Ulduar, with Priests and Druids being the best depending on the fight. Paladins are really only good for MT healing. Sometimes they do other things, but they're shit at it and the most boring class ever created.

As always though, anyone that can heal is in short supply so you'll get by.

[Pyros]

The issue with shamans is chain heal just doesn't cut it anymore especially when compared to wild growth+rejuv on 12people+whatever you feel like throwing in, or prayer of mending+circle of healing+prayer of healing casted on a group+holy nova for your own group.

Then the other issue is, they also don't cut it for MT healing compared to holydins aka "I press my holy light key until the fight ends because mana concerns are non existant and I end up at 70% overheal".

So they're somewhat in the middle, but since they get owned at both and ulduar fights are tough on hard mode on those particular aspects, shamans don't really fit well. There's some interest in having one resto shaman around, for the bloodlust, for the totems, for the debuff removal(only magic can't be dispelled) and for the Ancestral Fortitude on tanks. They're also pretty nice for spot healing with Riptide+Lesser Healing wave, lots of repeatable burst healing with no setup. That's only useful on like mimiron P1 hard mode for napalm shell healing though.

[spronk]

ele and enhance shamans are damn good DPS though, especially geared up, so you can skip healing and just pew pew

and yeah resto shamans are not great on most "important" fights in ulduar, since people are spread out chain heal isn't that hot anymore. blizz seems to recognize this and will probably change stuff around I'm sure. that said we run with 2 resto shamans (1 goes ele half the time) and have cleared ulduar and working on hard modes.

[Froofy-D]

Originally Posted by Torrid

It's funny you bring up that you're a Quake player. I've been using the Quake analogy for YEARS to describe why BGs are inherently unfair. It's ironic how the "fairness" of BGs actually makes for a more unfair system in that world PvP allowed the undermaned, undergeared faction to hide behind NPCs to help even the odds, while in instanced BGs the "fairness" of the maps allow the faction with the gear and premade advantages to destroy the other team.

All I want is a fair fight. That's all I want. Instancing is NOT providing that.

There are premades and better gear in world PVP too (ever try Warhammer?). No matter how you look at it BGs/Scenarios are more fair because it is similar numbers and levels. Geared premades will stomp PUGs world PVP or not.

The best case scenario is that Blizzard implements ranked BGs that earn Arena gear. That and add some new maps. Also XP for BGs just like in Warhammer please. Warhammer is amazingly fun to level in Scenarios.

[Ninen]

Originally Posted by Torrid

You seem to ignore every argument favoring world pvp and equate it all as ganking. I'm both pro-world PvP and anti-ganking. I just would rather ganking be addressed with a territory capture mechanic instead of instancing.

But that is digressing from my original point which is that, as it currently is in WoW, BGs are LESS fair than the TM days ever were. Last night I was grouped with some buddies of mine -- people who were Gladiators in previous seasons -- and even with the four of us joining BGs we still struggled to win one. Shit, I think the only one we won was WSG because we made up a larger percentage of the team there.

It's funny you bring up that you're a Quake player. I've been using the Quake analogy for YEARS to describe why BGs are inherently unfair. It's ironic how the "fairness" of BGs actually makes for a more unfair system in that world PvP allowed the undermaned, undergeared faction to hide behind NPCs to help even the odds, while in instanced BGs the "fairness" of the maps allow the faction with the gear and premade advantages to destroy the other team.

All I want is a fair fight. That's all I want. Instancing is NOT providing that.

You won't ever get a fair fight. Ever. One side WILL have better gear, or more players, or players who have CD's up, or weren't just fighting NPCs (and thus aren't at 100% hp/mana, or, or, or.

Ganking *is* open world pvp. For all the negativity we place on that word, the surprise attack when the odds are in your favor is the SMART and RIGHT way to fight. Nothing in the world is going to make being the sucker getting his shit pushed in under unfavorable circumstances fun.

You bring up Quake. You ever see the replays of big money tourneys where 1 guy is making laps of the rocket launcher, red/yellow armor, health kits, and quad? Both players are solid money makers, and do to the relative power of the weaponry, the OTHER guy got an occasional frag, but the dude in control WAS THE DUDE IN CONTROL. All it took was a bit of luck or a mistake and the match was all but over.

[Torrid]

Originally Posted by Froofy-D

There are premades and better gear in world PVP too (ever try Warhammer?).

I'm not going to repeat myself a third time. I'm just going to tell you to actually read the fucking text you quoted rather than respond directly.

Originally Posted by Ninen

You won't ever get a fair fight.

Not in the sense of actual parity, no. Not even chess has that. (one person has to go first) But to not even TRY to design a relatively fair system is absurd. WoW BGs have easily correctable problems that would VASTLY improve the gameplay for both factions. (opening the gates WHEN BOTH SIDES ARE EQUAL IN NUMBERS being the most obvious) Or are you suggesting that BGs with PUG vs. PUG matches in which one side gets ZERO HKs being commonplace is acceptable? How many players would join BGs if they did not award honor?

Originally Posted by Ninen

Ganking *is* open world pvp. For all the negativity we place on that word, the surprise attack when the odds are in your favor is the SMART and RIGHT way to fight. Nothing in the world is going to make being the sucker getting his shit pushed in under unfavorable circumstances fun.

I wouldn't completely remove ganking. To do so would remove far too much freedom from players. What I WOULD do would be to make it more difficult in many ways. I.e. it should be difficult merely to even enter the newbie zone of your rival faction. (territory control) Players near the front lines would need to watch their backs or group with buddies. WoW doesn't facilitate world PvP very well with its small AoI and super stealth either.

Originally Posted by Ninen

the OTHER guy got an occasional frag, but the dude in control WAS THE DUDE IN CONTROL. All it took was a bit of luck or a mistake and the match was all but over.

The other dude got a frag? That's more than I can say for some of the BGs I enter every night.

Tell me, how many Quake team matches start out with one side not being full? How many Quake matches start out with one dude having a rocket launcher without needing to pick one up? I can't pick up a temporary T8 weapon in AB.

The winners of battlegrounds being determined by who manipulates a badly implemented queue system more and by who farmed the most gear prior to entering is retarded. Player skill needs to be more of the equation. Forming a full raid geared premade and stomping every PUG you face is BORING. If game developers are going to put players in a confined, controlled space for PvP, then they should make an effort to ensure the players that are matched together are reasonably equivalent in gear and to not match full 15 man vent using premades against random idiots. Failing that, implement handicaps. And encourage premades fighting premades by designing a system that rewards that more than premades vs. PUG slaughters.

[Nirgon]

Yes but you forget that a key peice of the MMO is attaining gear which reflects time and effort spent versus (often) skill. By introducing players battling, this element must remain in MMO, having YOUR character present in the battle that you built up. If that character sucks, well so be it. I'm not saying that I'm not a fan of some kind of tiered battleground system based on ilvl but... it would hurt queue times in the end I think. Possibly much as the newbie leveling zones are rather barren, so would be the entry level bgs after some period of time. However, I think the reply value of pvp is much higher than of pve. I'd rather fight players as a different class then do an encounter again wearing a different hat. As I've stated before, I would very much enjoy leveling a healer through pvp.

[Miele]

This time an UI question: I'm used to informant, a mod that I think was made by the auctioneer author. The main purpose for using it is to know how much an item sells for to a vendor directly in the tooltip.

Since it takes about 4mb of memory to do just that and I'm trying hard to make the interface a lot less heavy on memory usage, do you know any other addon that does the same thing for negligible amounts of memory?

[Zhaun's_Shade]

I keep hearing refferences to DOTs critting, but as a 40ish warlock have yet to see this. Is it talent, spell or level specific?

[Drtyrm]

Affliction talent called Pandemic. I believe you have to have UA first. So level 51 I believe?

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Drtyrm

Affliction talent called Pandemic. I believe you have to have UA first. So level 51 I believe?

Ah ha! Thanks, didn't notice that since I wan't planning on going that deep into Affliction.

[Gwen Rockpounder]

Originally Posted by Miele

This time an UI question: I'm used to informant, a mod that I think was made by the auctioneer author. The main purpose for using it is to know how much an item sells for to a vendor directly in the tooltip.

Since it takes about 4mb of memory to do just that and I'm trying hard to make the interface a lot less heavy on memory usage, do you know any other addon that does the same thing for negligible amounts of memory?

Give Sellfish a try, I've been using that for a while.

[Nirgon]

Lvl 60 twinking ftw, seeing people running around in old Naxx gear (though you can't get it anymore oh well) has been quite amusing on the ole Reckoning battlegroup. Armory up Prfectmurder and Firstshot.

Other thoughts: lol @ people posting about Ulduar stuff in this thread now. not in Ricksaw YET, thx haters. Apparently random Q&A or scattered thoughts seeking feedback have a place here
Need different spell animations in WoW for crits or at least spell power level vs player level or something, using caster weapon in some kind of animation to spice things up.

[Sneaky]

Anyone know an US-Server with an active Raiding-Pop at european times?

[Amzin]

I have found a vanilla wow key sale for 16.47! I challenge someone to do better, so I can screw with an RoF account for the minimum money possible.