Final Fantasy XIV - Page 33

Nairbog · 08-23-2009, 05:23 PM

I don't buy the "the game world is designed around no jumping" argument. Seems like the opposite in FFXI, where there are an abundance of 1ft ledges that prevent you from accessing terrain. If they want to funnel players through the content, I hope they implement more realistic barriers this time. I hate being funneled either way, but I would be able to tolerate it as long as the barriers would realistically stop me in real life. For 1ft ledges, they should just implement a stepping up animation or some form of automatic jumping/climbing, like in the latest Zelda games.

Zehn - Vhex · 08-23-2009, 05:42 PM

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How often do you really jump for any good reason in WoW anyway?

Nonstop if I can help it.

Nairbog · 08-23-2009, 06:47 PM

Yeah I jump all the time in WoW for "legitimate" reasons, mostly to save time by finding shortcuts through jumping.

Iadien · 08-23-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nairbog

Yeah I jump all the time in WoW for "legitimate" reasons, mostly to save time by finding shortcuts through jumping.

Because you have ADD?

Erumaron · 08-23-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Iadien

Because you have ADD?

I jump on GCDs between casts a lot of the time. Definite ADD here.

Kuro · 08-23-2009, 07:11 PM

Every dungeon needs a section requiring you to leap over a pit from one narrow ledge to another.

It would make PUGs take 4 hours, but the joy it would bring to my heart would be without bounds.

Cybsled · 08-23-2009, 08:36 PM

Ya, Thadius was a great for that...the people who fell either a) had lag b) had the hand-eye coordination of a blind paraplegic c) sucked.

Nairbog · 08-24-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Iadien

Because you have ADD?

No, the people who jump all the time for no reason piss me off. Like I said, I jump when it saves me time - such as jumping over a ditch instead of walking around it. Sounds like you didn't understand my post... because you have ADD?

Iadien · 08-24-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nairbog

No, the people who jump all the time for no reason piss me off. Like I said, I jump when it saves me time - such as jumping over a ditch instead of walking around it. Sounds like you didn't understand my post... because you have ADD?

Someone's a little defensive about their ADD.

Nairbog · 08-24-2009, 01:19 PM

You got me. Damn you're sneaky, turned that one around like a pro!

Fammaden · 08-24-2009, 01:43 PM

Yeah, WoW does put some use to jumping, but in general its a bit few and far between to have an actual need to jump. No one mentioned Wailing Caverns. I liked that little ledge hop. Great opportunity to mock the stupid housewife healer who came from EQ but never played ten minutes of Super Mario Brothers...and thus failed.

Really though, it is in fact simply the game design. The complaint about jumping just mirrors the UI complaints. It took many MMO'ers out of their comfort zone and made you learn something new about a part of the game you believe should be "intuitive" and familiar. EQ handled like Doom, WoW handles like a more modern FPS. FFXI felt more awkward with WASD and/or mouse movement, and there was no row of numbered hotkeys. You either had to learn a different UI paradigm or just buy a damn controller already and stop complaining!

possible · 08-24-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fammaden

Really though, it is in fact simply the game design. The complaint about jumping just mirrors the UI complaints. It took many MMO'ers out of their comfort zone and made you learn something new about a part of the game you believe should be "intuitive" and familiar. EQ handled like Doom, WoW handles like a more modern FPS. FFXI felt more awkward with WASD and/or mouse movement, and there was no row of numbered hotkeys. You either had to learn a different UI paradigm or just buy a damn controller already and stop complaining!

Or you know, it's a step backwards.

Iadien · 08-24-2009, 03:04 PM

"Final Fantasy XIV 08-24-2009 05:02 PM Fuck your ADD - nignogin
Final Fantasy XIV 08-24-2009 03:44 PM because your face is stupid"

Wow, you people can't take a fucking joke can you. haha Some dude said I have ADD.

Fammaden · 08-24-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by possible

Or you know, it's a step backwards.

Its more like a step sideways to me, but I spent years on consoles from Atari 2600 to PS2 until I finally started doing more PC gaming. Given how the console vs. PC gaming market has turned out in the years since, you could very well make the argument that they were actually forward thinking. The first company who can really get a grand slam homeun with a console MMO might make Blizzard's money hats look like small potatoes in comparison.

Zehn - Vhex · 08-24-2009, 03:28 PM

For one, it's a psychological thing. Anybody who has played JRPG's has had that experience where your path is 'blocked' by a boulder you could easily just fucking walk around or climb over and you go on this inane sidequest complete with "Lolgoofyjapan!" characters.

Not that jumping prevents those kinds of shenanigans. Even with the ability to jump JRPG's still finds ways to annoy the piss out of me with that horseshit. I'm looking at you Rogue Galaxy. Then again, western RPG's tend to cockblock you with a far more insulting obstacle. The wooden door.

But yeah, jumping is just a hallmark of freedom and really pushes that 3D world on you.

08-23-2009, 05:23 PM	#481 (permalink)
Nairbog Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 349 -3 Internets	I don't buy the "the game world is designed around no jumping" argument. Seems like the opposite in FFXI, where there are an abundance of 1ft ledges that prevent you from accessing terrain. If they want to funnel players through the content, I hope they implement more realistic barriers this time. I hate being funneled either way, but I would be able to tolerate it as long as the barriers would realistically stop me in real life. For 1ft ledges, they should just implement a stepping up animation or some form of automatic jumping/climbing, like in the latest Zelda games. __________________ MMORPG's are the opiate of the masochists.

08-23-2009, 06:47 PM	#483 (permalink)
Nairbog Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 349 -3 Internets	Yeah I jump all the time in WoW for "legitimate" reasons, mostly to save time by finding shortcuts through jumping. __________________ MMORPG's are the opiate of the masochists.

08-23-2009, 07:11 PM	#486 (permalink)
Kuro Support Beam Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,977 +56 Internets	Every dungeon needs a section requiring you to leap over a pit from one narrow ledge to another. It would make PUGs take 4 hours, but the joy it would bring to my heart would be without bounds. __________________ Alt Army-Over 9,000 Games

08-23-2009, 08:36 PM	#487 (permalink)
Cybsled Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,284 +49 Internets	Ya, Thadius was a great for that...the people who fell either a) had lag b) had the hand-eye coordination of a blind paraplegic c) sucked. __________________ Training the citizens of Norrath from 1999-2003!

08-24-2009, 01:19 PM	#490 (permalink)
Nairbog Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 349 -3 Internets	You got me. Damn you're sneaky, turned that one around like a pro! __________________ MMORPG's are the opiate of the masochists.

08-24-2009, 01:43 PM	#491 (permalink)
Fammaden Treats objects like women. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Posts: 3,206 +31 Internets	Yeah, WoW does put some use to jumping, but in general its a bit few and far between to have an actual need to jump. No one mentioned Wailing Caverns. I liked that little ledge hop. Great opportunity to mock the stupid housewife healer who came from EQ but never played ten minutes of Super Mario Brothers...and thus failed. Really though, it is in fact simply the game design. The complaint about jumping just mirrors the UI complaints. It took many MMO'ers out of their comfort zone and made you learn something new about a part of the game you believe should be "intuitive" and familiar. EQ handled like Doom, WoW handles like a more modern FPS. FFXI felt more awkward with WASD and/or mouse movement, and there was no row of numbered hotkeys. You either had to learn a different UI paradigm or just buy a damn controller already and stop complaining! __________________ Fammaden - Wizard - Saryrn (Retired) WoW: Shaman/Mage/Hunter

08-24-2009, 03:04 PM	#493 (permalink)
Iadien Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 244 -3 Internets	"Final Fantasy XIV 08-24-2009 05:02 PM Fuck your ADD - nignogin Final Fantasy XIV 08-24-2009 03:44 PM because your face is stupid" Wow, you people can't take a fucking joke can you. haha Some dude said I have ADD.

08-24-2009, 03:28 PM	#495 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 8,797 +166 Internets	For one, it's a psychological thing. Anybody who has played JRPG's has had that experience where your path is 'blocked' by a boulder you could easily just fucking walk around or climb over and you go on this inane sidequest complete with "Lolgoofyjapan!" characters. Not that jumping prevents those kinds of shenanigans. Even with the ability to jump JRPG's still finds ways to annoy the piss out of me with that horseshit. I'm looking at you Rogue Galaxy. Then again, western RPG's tend to cockblock you with a far more insulting obstacle. The wooden door. But yeah, jumping is just a hallmark of freedom and really pushes that 3D world on you.

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