[WoW] 3.1 - Ulduar

[Aria]

My main rage was not at the fact that you should heal if you're hybrid, but the paladin in question should stop being a douchebag and suck it up. I know people don't like to heal, but if you're going to roll a hybrid and be in a raiding guild you should at least be ready to accept your fate at some points.

I used to be one of those warriors that always went "YEAH DPS WOO" when we raided. They asked me to be the main tank when ours quit and I got sad. I had to slap myself in the face, realize people would be relying on me, and manned up and played the other side of my class. I think people that refuse to do that, to help their guild especially, are just douches.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Angry Zehn time.



Fuck that noise. NONE of the tanking classes are a 'pure' class so their should be little to no fucking discrepancy between them. This "there will always be slight difference..." excuse from Blizzard is utter bullshit as well. This is a fucking -massive- difference and there is no situation under which Paladins are the preferred tank. It's not like it would be hard to balance either.

I'm not even a fan of this "pure dps should do more dps" idea either simply because I don't believe in the idea of pure dps to begin with. Fucking terrible game design and a leftover to the days of pre 2.0 when druids were meant to heal and that was that. Give rogues/hunters a tanking tree and mages/warlocks a healing tree and fucking be done with it.

Anyways...

The -only- way a Paladin MT would be preferably would be if the mob was immune to everything but holy damage and even then it would be far more preferable for our DK to just taunt it off the paladin everytime the Paladin over-agro's him.

Now, the guy is a douche bag for not respeccing to something more useful while paladin MT's are in the state they are in. -Especially- now with dual spec's. There is just no goddamn excuse. On that point we at least agree. You shouldn't roll up a hybrid with the intent to only ever play one spec when there are times other spec's are more useful. It'd be like rolling up a rogue and saying that using stealth breaks character with your roleplaying experience and you refuse to use it. Just fucking stupid.

I know it sounds like I just contradicted myself, but it's more the reasoning then concept. Unless I misunderstood your point, in which case I apologize. But it sounded to me like another "lol ur a hybrid silly, hybrids heal!" post so I had to nerd rage a bit.

This is how I see Zehn when he writes stuff like this.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by spronk

I dropped to casual rank in my guild since I don't want to raid every night, but its funny that the guild leader is a warrior so he HAS to MT every fight, they have only dropped 2 bosses so far in ulduar25 after 4 nights. We don't even have a raiding DK tank afaik, I wonder if ulduar will make him change his mind.

We are up to the last 2 keepers using a War MT in 25m, and they got to general or maybe even yogg last night in 10m with the same war mt.

We do have a DK that tanks some, and a druid that has a great tank set as well.. and they just switch in for whatever is best. There is always something to offtank so even a war MT that isn't the best on one encounter isn't a waste.

[Vatoreus]

Anybody else think it's funny that Zhen just nerd raged at Aria about the exact same thing Aria was saying? You guys are on the same side, slow down and comprehend what you're reading man.

[Erumaron]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

We are up to the last 2 keepers using a War MT in 25m, and they got to general or maybe even yogg last night in 10m with the same war mt.

We do have a DK that tanks some, and a druid that has a great tank set as well.. and they just switch in for whatever is best. There is always something to offtank so even a war MT that isn't the best on one encounter isn't a waste.

2 minute Last Stand and Shield Wall have made my Warrior pretty sexy as a MT really. It saved us wipes a bajillion times while learning Kologarn. Do DKs still have an edge? - sure. Can a good tank of any class do the job (pretty much Blizzard's argument I'd imagine) - yep. I don't even care though as it's really not a competition in my guild. We put the people who are most effective for the fight in the role. I had a blast offtanking Ignis adds and I'd argue that Warriors fit that job the best anyway. Being able to run into the fire, stun the mob in place, and just keep moving until out of the fire while root is about to hit is $$.

Also, can Warriors still spell reflect Hodir's frost hits or did that not make it out of PTR? (didn't even think to try it but read it after the fight)

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Aria

You shouldn't feel bad for him. People shouldn't play hybrid classes if they're only interested in one facet of the playing field.

really? So there are non hybrid tanking classes?

[Doligan]

Anybody else think it's funny that Zhen just nerd raged at Aria about the exact same thing Aria was saying? You guys are on the same side, slow down and comprehend what you're reading man.

Hint: Read the paragraph line of Zhen's post.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Erumaron

2 minute Last Stand and Shield Wall have made my Warrior pretty sexy as a MT really. It saved us wipes a bajillion times while learning Kologarn. Do DKs still have an edge? - sure. Can a good tank of any class do the job (pretty much Blizzard's argument I'd imagine) - yep. I don't even care though as it's really not a competition in my guild. We put the people who are most effective for the fight in the role. I had a blast offtanking Ignis adds and I'd argue that Warriors fit that job the best anyway. Being able to run into the fire, stun the mob in place, and just keep moving until out of the fire while root is about to hit is $$.

Also, can Warriors still spell reflect Hodir's frost hits or did that not make it out of PTR? (didn't even think to try it but read it after the fight)

Can't reflect them I'm pretty sure, but can AMS them. Ignis adds, how are warriors better than DKs? I can run a construct into a scorch from its spawn point in like 5secs(death grip) then ice chain it, run around the scorch, and just do circles not taking any dmg while it burns, and then just pull it to water without getting into melee after threat reset(taunt+DC+IT+IT+DC usually). Hell I could probably break them myself if I wanted as frost spec with frost strike/HB.

I've seen a warrior stun kite them, and it didn't really look any more efficient, not counting the time gained on death grips for movement, or the fact I can run through a scorch if I want to and take like 2k dmg.

That said, I agree with you, you can use any tank you want, and good players are still good players even on a class that's not as good. If you have the choice between Joe McRetard the DK and Ace JohnnyJohn the protadin, you probably want the protadin anyway. Especially on a lot of these fights that require the tank actually thinking. And warriors still retain their advantage of bringing free sunders, which is pretty nice because DPS are idiots when it comes to sunders/expose armor(at least ours are). And demo shout, I like when our Warrior tanks demo shout my shit.

[Rhym]

Well its a problem when DKs are the best MTs, best OTs, best dps as blood, 2nd best dps as Frost. I thought 3.1 was toning down the "hero" class, but I see they are still utterly without compare. Our blood and frost dk's are considerably above all other dps.

[Heylel Teomim]

Then your other dps suck. Everyone's guild has different classes on top based on who their best players are. DKs aren't head and shoulders above the dps pack in this patch.

[Brikker]

I'll agree on the DPS aspect of DK's. It is completely dependent on guild and player. I doubt there are any (or very few, at least) guilds out there where every DPS is completely informed on the workings of their class and can play and execute them flawlessly.

For our guild, the top two are generally a Mage (fire) and Elemental shaman. Rogues are up there now too quite often with 3.1 changes.

[Twobit Whore]

I'm seeing rogues well on top lately, along with locks hunters mages, shamans and feral druids. Some fights obviously tend to favor certain classes however.

[Aria]

Originally Posted by brekk

really? So there are non hybrid tanking classes?

Thank you for pointing out this argument-breaking comment. You and I both know what I meant by hybrid classes in WoW. The "regular" classes have two roles whereas the hybrid classes have 3 or 4 roles. Thank you.

[brekk]

Unable to zone in while an encounter is in progress

So beyond sick of this.

edit: They really need to have NPC's insta-die when all players are dead.

[Zest]

Tell your retards to FUCKING RELEASE

I hate those people.