BoB disbanded - Eve Online - Page 4

Tyen · 02-07-2009, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OneofOne

Then you fail hardcore moron. The Eve thread is consistently in the top 5-7 threads in this forum. Don't blame me because you are a blind motherfucker. Thanks for pwning yourself though.

Stop being an ass for no reason.

Inconsiderable · 02-07-2009, 04:32 AM

Ouch.

Thanks for making the thread, I would have missed it.

KianwanCT · 02-07-2009, 05:52 AM

wow, almost enough to make one resub and try and join the fighting down there, sounds like its gonna be an amazing time in delve for sure

Vorph · 02-07-2009, 06:06 AM

Would have been much better had it happened to the goons instead.

Either way, though, it should never have been allowed to happen by the game mechanics. Most of what EVE allows disgruntled people to get away with doing/stealing is ok, but this is way the fuck over the line of what one person should be able to do. It's also kind of disheartening that another game developer is here praising CCP for having such poor sanity checking in their code...

Quineloe · 02-07-2009, 06:26 AM

Is anyone here really into the EJ Megathread system with hundreds of pages over years on a subject so generic?

leane · 02-07-2009, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vorph

Would have been much better had it happened to the goons instead.

Either way, though, it should never have been allowed to happen by the game mechanics. Most of what EVE allows disgruntled people to get away with doing/stealing is ok, but this is way the fuck over the line of what one person should be able to do. It's also kind of disheartening that another game developer is here praising CCP for having such poor sanity checking in their code...

I think a real issue is that with the way sov works is this is really the only way short of incompetence or cascade failure that a large alliance is vulnerable. Otherwise they can bottleneck nearly any assault with minimal effort. This is what happened in the last war in Delve, They couldn't get enough assets into sov4 systems to break them.

fucker · 02-07-2009, 07:01 AM

+1 to original poster. i would have missed it without this thread

whoever complains should shut up. we have a WoW thread for every single fart Thrall does waking up in the morning

Lyenae · 02-07-2009, 08:39 AM

These types of "events" are par for good FFA PvP type games, spy havoc was common in Shadowbane too.

Hal2005 · 02-07-2009, 08:56 AM

Why did we make another eve thread ?

On another note, BoB's been pretty stalwart with their defenses. 1-n flipped back to BoB yesterday. A few systems should start flipping to NC control Monday.

Hachima · 02-07-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fucker

+1 to original poster. i would have missed it without this thread

whoever complains should shut up. we have a WoW thread for every single fart Thrall does waking up in the morning

The OP just copied pasted from Slashdot word for word

Slashdot | Massive EVE Online Alliance Disbanded

Just read Slashdot's games section, then you won't miss anything =)

Czaza · 02-07-2009, 09:49 AM

Apparently he could also read FoH. Either way it is kind of moot now and as has been delineated, not without reason as many who had lost interest in the old Eve thread has been given the chance to hear about something relatively exciting in the game.

FoghornDeadhorn · 02-07-2009, 09:50 AM

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Oh and it's not simply one person. It's one person

I'm the GM of a raiding guild. I have the power to rob the guild bank and disband the guild. This results in the loss of BoE items but not the most important things people have worked for: their personal inventory and achievements. I lack that power despite being a bigger fish in a much smaller pond. If CCP was aware of this they should not roll it back, I agree, but it is nonsensical to go "haha that's how it goes suckaz" -- if it were goons this had happened to no one would be saying the same thing.

It would be like if you could get evicted because your roommate was a week late paying the phone bill. Your roommate who you trusted with the phone bill...

Burning_Samurai · 02-07-2009, 09:50 AM

This is so amazing to me. This could have gone so many different ways, but turned out it did because someone decided the current environment was stale and boring. I don't play Eve, but I can imagine this BoB director had no clue where his alt's enterprise into GS would lead, nor the original spy knew what he had on his hands. I really think the game is better for this. More than developers it seems, players are able to breath such world changing events into the game. What could result may be more interesting than any 'planned' in-game event could ever be.

This meta-game sounds so fun and vital to the world I really hope more games down the road implement systems with such wide reaching consequences.

Don't implement any of rules that prevent this kind of stuff from happening. Don't make the world feel stale, unchangeable, and safe. It needs to be volatile. Players playing against players will always be infinitely more interesting that players versus AIs. This kind of unpredicability is what makes Eve so intriguing to me, I really wish it was easier to break into. In this respect, Eve really is ahead of any other game out there.

fucker · 02-07-2009, 10:45 AM

yeah, overused video, but i admit i laughed

tad10 · 02-07-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorph

Would have been much better had it happened to the goons instead.

Either way, though, it should never have been allowed to happen by the game mechanics. Most of what EVE allows disgruntled people to get away with doing/stealing is ok, but this is way the fuck over the line of what one person should be able to do. It's also kind of disheartening that another game developer is here praising CCP for having such poor sanity checking in their code...

Agreed. I'm now glad I never bothered with EVE. The equivalent action in WoW would be if the guild leader could (before disbanding his guild) steal the guild bank ($ and items) , _and_ take all (or a good portion) of the BOP purples (trinkets, weapon, armor, mounts) previously acquired by (and currently being used by) his guildmembers while he was guild leader and redistribute them to whomever he so choose.

That is by his one action the GL could negate the years of action by his entire guild. If I were a (former) member of BOB I'd tell CCP to fuck off and I'd start playing something else.

And the SecDefense nuke analogy above doesn't work at all -- there's multiple safety checks on their use. A better example is your average US boomer sub. By all accounts our ICBM subs can launch even if our chain of command is completely gone and they have no direct authorization from the prez but it takes the action of most of the crew -- the sub captain can't just turn a button and start WWIV.

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02-07-2009, 04:32 AM	#47 (permalink)
Inconsiderable the princess approves Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,487 +0 Internets	Ouch. Thanks for making the thread, I would have missed it.

02-07-2009, 05:52 AM	#48 (permalink)
KianwanCT Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 371	wow, almost enough to make one resub and try and join the fighting down there, sounds like its gonna be an amazing time in delve for sure

02-07-2009, 06:06 AM	#49 (permalink)
Vorph Fuck Art, Let's Kill Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 7,243	Would have been much better had it happened to the goons instead. Either way, though, it should never have been allowed to happen by the game mechanics. Most of what EVE allows disgruntled people to get away with doing/stealing is ok, but this is way the fuck over the line of what one person should be able to do. It's also kind of disheartening that another game developer is here praising CCP for having such poor sanity checking in their code...

02-07-2009, 06:26 AM	#50 (permalink)
Quineloe Hard Rock Hallelujah Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,608	Is anyone here really into the EJ Megathread system with hundreds of pages over years on a subject so generic?

02-07-2009, 07:01 AM	#52 (permalink)
fucker no funny comment sorry Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,803 -27 Internets	+1 to original poster. i would have missed it without this thread whoever complains should shut up. we have a WoW thread for every single fart Thrall does waking up in the morning

02-07-2009, 08:39 AM	#53 (permalink)
Lyenae Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,664 -104 Internets	These types of "events" are par for good FFA PvP type games, spy havoc was common in Shadowbane too.

02-07-2009, 08:56 AM	#54 (permalink)
Hal2005 Yay ? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: --- Posts: 732	Why did we make another eve thread ? On another note, BoB's been pretty stalwart with their defenses. 1-n flipped back to BoB yesterday. A few systems should start flipping to NC control Monday.

02-07-2009, 09:49 AM	#56 (permalink)
Czaza Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 39	Apparently he could also read FoH. Either way it is kind of moot now and as has been delineated, not without reason as many who had lost interest in the old Eve thread has been given the chance to hear about something relatively exciting in the game.

02-07-2009, 09:50 AM	#58 (permalink)
Burning_Samurai Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 504 +4 Internets	This is so amazing to me. This could have gone so many different ways, but turned out it did because someone decided the current environment was stale and boring. I don't play Eve, but I can imagine this BoB director had no clue where his alt's enterprise into GS would lead, nor the original spy knew what he had on his hands. I really think the game is better for this. More than developers it seems, players are able to breath such world changing events into the game. What could result may be more interesting than any 'planned' in-game event could ever be. This meta-game sounds so fun and vital to the world I really hope more games down the road implement systems with such wide reaching consequences. Don't implement any of rules that prevent this kind of stuff from happening. Don't make the world feel stale, unchangeable, and safe. It needs to be volatile. Players playing against players will always be infinitely more interesting that players versus AIs. This kind of unpredicability is what makes Eve so intriguing to me, I really wish it was easier to break into. In this respect, Eve really is ahead of any other game out there.