[WoW] When can we expect tradeskills to be balanced?

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

Balanced with Blacksmithing, maybe. If you ignore meta/slot bonuses. Still better than everything else.

Uh, if epic gems are released, JC will only be worth +21 to a STR/AGI/SPR/INT, +33 to STA, +27 to spell power or +36 to attack power.

1. BS becomes the clear winner with epic gems, granting +40 to a prime stat, +60 to STA, +46 spellpower, or +80 attack power. Almost double the value of JC.

2. Enchanting and LW will still grant +48 STA, +64 AP, or +38 SP, clearly beating JC.

3. Inscription will grant +64 AP and +37 SP, as well as the option of +32 dodge rating, clearly beating JC with +21 dodge rating.

The only professions worse than JC with epic gems released are engineering and tailoring.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Why do people keep ignoring the primsatic aspect? You do understand what that's worth to nearly every class, right?

[brekk]

Seriously. Its not the power of the gems. Its ignoring stupid Meta requirements like 2 blue gems for the 21crit and +3% crit dmg meta gem.

Epic gems will only make this a larger gain as the difference between an epic pure red spell dmg gem, and a purple half spell dmg gem is even larger.

Right now for my meta I'm losing straight up 20spell dmg to get the bonus (2 9dmg, 12 sta's) One's in my only gear socket thats blue, and one is in the belt socket with no bonus. Yes I know i should get purifed twilight opals but the market for them is still retarded cost wise.

If my boots didn't have a blue socket on top of the loss in using blue gems I'd also have to give up a socket bonus. Now these aren't huge stat differences but you need to include them when the entire debate over the power of tradeskills is over a difference of maybe 30 of a stat.

I'm tailoring/enchanting right now, and everyday I get closer and closer to dropping tailoring. It's beyond shitty. The cheap leg enchants are nice, but I have tons of cash so i don't care how cheap they are, I need stats. The only tailoring item even notable for high end use is the Deathchill cloak which is both BoE and has quite possibly the most absurd requirements in the history of MMO's to get a single pattern. Northrend Loremaster to learn a BoE pattern... WTF

The other issue with both Blacksmithing and Jewelcrafting (and to a lesser extent Ench) is that unlike all the other tradeskills the stats are customizable. Skinning is pretty shitty for that resto druid, mining is crap for anyone not tanking, etc. All the other tradeskills are beneficial for only certain roles, or certain specs. JC especially can be fine tuned to your needs. A new patch comes out changing which stat is the most beneficial? No problem just re-socket.

[Chaotic]

From my own experience - I leveled BS due to the socket bonuses.

I also got all enchanting mats to level to 200 - mostly because of the passive income I can get from DE'ing purples I come across.

I'm currently a miner - but being DPS that does me no good. I really only had that to level and make money.

After sitting on it for a week I just can't take the dive. The +str from JC not only raw outweighs the +ap from enchanting - but it also scales with me (which is true for almost any other class and their specific stat)

So, this weekend when i'm off i'm going to level JC and sell back the enchanting mats. I guess JC is kind of OP comparative right now.

[Devlin]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

Yes, I'm pleased with Blacksmithing despite the fact that I currently am not using any actual items it is made with.

I'd like to once again point out the flexibility of JC as opposed to most other tradeskills. I don't even stack stamina as a tank, but god forbid I actually DPS some time it sure would be nice to have JC over, say, mining.

Hmm, Up until about a month ago I was a BS/MINER, I read around and everyone was going on about how awesome JC is so you know what I did?

I farmed mats with mining for a few hours every day, dropped mining and became a JC, couldn't be happier.

No, not everything is balanced, as has been said before that would make for a shit boring uninteresting game and its the exact same fucking thing as me coming on here saying that I want my mage/rogue/lock/warrior to be able to tank/heal/dps just as well as anyone else, you want balanced go buy a PS3 and play shit on your own, then you have nobody to balance yourself against to feel inferior.

Everyone thats played for any length of time since release has rerolled toons and those toons have rerolled tradeskills, its really not a big deal.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Ah yes, everyone having the same best tradeskill is much more 'interesting' and less 'boring' than even attempting to balance the bonuses you get from each tradeskill. Are we back on page one? Did you really need to make your 38th post something this pointless?

[Devlin]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

Ah yes, everyone having the same best tradeskill is much more 'interesting' and less 'boring' than even attempting to balance the bonuses you get from each tradeskill. Are we back on page one? Did you really need to make your 38th post something this pointless?

Not everything can be balanced, and seeing as we aren't even one major patch into this expansion you're just coming off like a whiney little boy that lost his favorite toy, they bought more Engineer helms out later in TBC and they were better than most shit you could get raiding for many classes.

So far in this thread every single one of your posts screams "WAAAH, THIS IS SO UNFAIR TO ME!" I felt the need to post because your whining sickened me.

[Agraza]

Seriously? That's your comeback? It's worse than your original post.

[Devlin]

Also people posting shit like "Nerf JC, Make the gems non prismatic" I mean seriously what the hell are you people on, it takes with the mats like an hour to lvl JC from 1 to 440, this is not re-rolling a toon from 1-80 here, if you want to min/max then thats the price you pay.

Obviously as a JC I'm biased, people calling for nerfs on classes is one thing but tradeskills, I mean come the fuck on.

[Xequecal]

Originally Posted by brekk

Seriously. Its not the power of the gems. Its ignoring stupid Meta requirements like 2 blue gems for the 21crit and +3% crit dmg meta gem.

Epic gems will only make this a larger gain as the difference between an epic pure red spell dmg gem, and a purple half spell dmg gem is even larger.

Right now for my meta I'm losing straight up 20spell dmg to get the bonus (2 9dmg, 12 sta's) One's in my only gear socket thats blue, and one is in the belt socket with no bonus. Yes I know i should get purifed twilight opals but the market for them is still retarded cost wise.

If my boots didn't have a blue socket on top of the loss in using blue gems I'd also have to give up a socket bonus. Now these aren't huge stat differences but you need to include them when the entire debate over the power of tradeskills is over a difference of maybe 30 of a stat.

Uh, this mechanic screws Frostfire-spec Mages only. If you're a melee class, take the 21 AGI/3% crit gem, it doesn't require 2x blue gems. Healers want Insightful, and Warlock/Shadow Priest will put Purified Twilight Opals in their blue slots anyway. And you really have no grounds to complain about PTOs costing too much, when there are things like Fury Warriors needing to spend 4000-5000g on 2x Berserking alone.

With epic gems, the activation of socket bonuses with "better" gems is what balanced the lower total stats gained vs. all the other professions.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Originally Posted by Devlin

Also people posting shit like "Nerf JC, Make the gems non prismatic" I mean seriously what the hell are you people on, it takes with the mats like an hour to lvl JC from 1 to 440, this is not re-rolling a toon from 1-80 here, if you want to min/max then thats the price you pay.

Obviously as a JC I'm biased, people calling for nerfs on classes is one thing but tradeskills, I mean come the fuck on.

Seriously, we covered this. If you don't have anything new to say then please find something else to do with your time.

[Devlin]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

Seriously, we covered this. If you don't have anything new to say then please find something else to do with your time.

I did, I lvl'ed JC, if you didn't have 3.8k posts you might have done the same.

[Trifle]

Originally Posted by Xequecal

Uh, this mechanic screws Frostfire-spec Mages only. If you're a melee class, take the 21 AGI/3% crit gem, it doesn't require 2x blue gems.

To be fair, DKs and possibly ret paladins too (not sure on that one). Agi is junk for a DK, its only melee crit, and provides crit at a much lower rate of return than crit rating does.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Originally Posted by Devlin

I did, I lvl'ed JC, if you didn't have 3.8k posts you might have done the same.

Oh man ICE BURN. I am so told, trolled, and left by the side of the road. You got me, kid.

/falls over

[Devlin]

Also, you're only on 378 Engineering, shouldn't hurt you too much to re-roll at this point should it?

Just trying to lead you down the righteous path my friend.