Richard Garriot, Never gonna give you up

[Tyen]

Originally Posted by masteen

Maybe they can get him and Koster back together so the washed-up retread circle of suck can be completed.

People are going to be surprised at what Koster has been getting accomplished I'm sure of that.

[NimlothCQ]

hmmmm

[Horse]

Let's change the topic of this thread to all of our own accomplishments that we then followed up with some hits and some misses.

Then we can stuff our own cocks in our assholes because that would be a pretty boring thread full of uninteresting nonsense.


Let's recall the projects that he's dealt with directly, from voice acting to concept development to production:

Akalabeth: World of Doom
Ultima I: The First Age of Darkness
Ultima II: The Revenge of the Enchantress
Ultima III: Exodus
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
Autoduel
Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny
Omega
Ultima VI: The False Prophet
Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire
Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams
Ultima: Runes of Virtue
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
Ultima VII: The Forge of Virtue
Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle
Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed
Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds
Ultima VIII: Pagan
Ultima: Runes of Virtue II
Bioforge
Ultima Online
Ultima Online: The Second Age
Lineage
Ultima IX: Ascension
Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle
City of Heroes
City of Villains
Tabula Rasa


As far as I'm concerned the rest of his life could be spent in a bathtub full of dead baby hooker slave tits and he'd still have a pretty good batting average.

Sure there are ups and downs, but I don't see anything to get bent out of shape over to proclaim him incapable of doing anything well. Take the eActivism to where it matters: your twitter blog. He could make something good. It isn't sage to point out that he "maybe probably won't," because guess what?

He could shower something Great and Worthy with cash and it might be Fun. What if he did that to you? Would it suck? Probably.



Someone should stop and think that perhaps Michael Jackson has made a career out of being entertaining, no diff than Our Lord British. You mad.

[Dumar]

it's because most people here are kids and too young to remember most of those games. they see the media train saying he sucks and decide to mouthbeat it too.

[Tyen]

He sucks now. That's what all us mouthbreathers are saying.

[Digits]

Originally Posted by Dumar

it's because most people here are kids and too young to remember most of those games. they see the media train saying he sucks and decide to mouthbeat it too.

Low hanging fruit. Wow, he was the first guy to be a part of a whole bunch of simple shit. Great for him, but being the smartest guy in the room two decades ago doesn't mean shit now. What has he done in the past decade that shows he has an even remote understanding of the current gaming industry? Tabula Rasa was shit. Ascension was shit. Pagan was bugged to hell, even though the concept was solid, but it started to show he doesn't comprehend how the challenge in gaming is the creation and not the design.

But you could stuff furniture up a cows ass in Ultima so I guess we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Pre-ordered.

[gnomad]

Originally Posted by Digits

But you could stuff furniture up a cows ass in Ultima so I guess we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Pre-ordered.

ROFLMAO, thanks my KBD needed a beer shower. Agree with the rest of what you said also.

Remember the disclaimer you always hear about stocks, etc... " Past performance is no indication of future results". Gee that sums up about 98% of the entire game industry.

[Lost Ranger]

I think the point is respect is given where respect is due. He is a gaming legend regardless of not making anything this generation worth writing home about. Comparing him to say Brad is a huge insult to everything Richard has given this industry. Ultima 1 is one of the reasons MANY people around here including myself even got into RPG games to begin with.

Saying he is one of the first to be apart of a whole bunch of simple shit is also a great example of going full retard because I find most of the original Ultima games to STILL be better then tons of the shit that gets force fed down our throats today. When it comes to graphics the games are beyond dated but good story telling and adventure is not something that has magically gotten better with time. In fact you could argue that story telling has gone to shit over time because most of the time and money is spent making games look pretty now.

Not to mention that without Ultima Online the MMO industry would be entirely different. Companies took notice of the financial possibilities after witnessing Ultima Online and that is when little games like Everquest and Asheron's Call came along. Without UO there is no guarantee Everquest would of ever happened or WoW for that matter. I think someone would of come along some day but Meridian 59 was not exactly impressive in the money making department so nobody gave a shit.

No it doesn't make the guy a god. I even agree he should leave the MMO industry behind. He should just be content knowing we are all riding the snowball he helped push down the hill to begin with. I think he should return to single player RPGs which is what he is most famous for and damn sure knows how to make right. I respect the guy, and I owe him a lot because he provided me with years of quality entertainment and provided me and my family a hobby that has kept us all very close for years now. One shitty MMO is not enough to undo twenty+ years of greatness. If he continues to produce shit for another twenty years then we can start talking shit. Anyway... /preorder whatever it is he makes next.

[fucker]

Originally Posted by Digits

..... Ascension was shit.....

EA destroyed Ascention. After EA bought Origin they forced a immediate release when the game was barely half done. It was necessary a complete story rewrite to acomodate the lack of content the early release caused

Ascention would have been an amazing game if it wasnt for EA

and yeah, im one of EA hateboy. fuck them for destroying Origin and Wing Commander saga

[Lost Ranger]

The part that always pissed me off was the ending change. Richard's ending was so much better, and powerful compared to what EA ended up releasing. Guess it was just too grim for them heh.

[Havelock]

Autoduel was the shit, yo.

[Vilgan]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

Not to mention that without Ultima Online the MMO industry would be entirely different. Companies took notice of the financial possibilities after witnessing Ultima Online and that is when little games like Everquest and Asheron's Call came along. Without UO there is no guarantee Everquest would of ever happened or WoW for that matter. I think someone would of come along some day but Meridian 59 was not exactly impressive in the money making department so nobody gave a shit.

Umm.... taking it a bit far I think. MMOs are just graphical versions of MUDs which have been around (in various forms) for ages. The whole MMO thing has been inevitable since Tolkien. Everquest without UO? Easily. Everquest was just a decent graphical rendition of a MUD. What, people would have just turned their brains off if not for Richard Garriot? I doubt it. The only real surprising development in the genre was WoW. Not because it did anything special, but because it broke the "RPG nerd only" mold.

Not dissing the guy, he's done a lot. But when you decide to jump on the "suck his cock" bandwagon, feel free to retain some sort of perspective.

[Lost Ranger]

Originally Posted by Vilgan

Umm.... taking it a bit far I think. MMOs are just graphical versions of MUDs which have been around (in various forms) for ages. The whole MMO thing has been inevitable since Tolkien. Everquest without UO? Easily. Everquest was just a decent graphical rendition of a MUD. What, people would have just turned their brains off if not for Richard Garriot? I doubt it. The only real surprising development in the genre was WoW. Not because it did anything special, but because it broke the "RPG nerd only" mold.

Not dissing the guy, he's done a lot. But when you decide to jump on the "suck his cock" bandwagon, feel free to retain some sort of perspective.

I have no doubt in my mind that MMOs were going to happen with out UO but UO opened the door and was instrumental to the genre. Everquest's concept is due to MUDs but securing the funds to make the damn thing would be due to Ultima Online reaching 100,000 subs in 6 months showing that MMOs have a serious possibility for making money. Games like The Realm and Meridian came first but they also never reached a level of success that made the big name companies take notice. A few thousand subs is not enough to get companies like Sony and Microsoft to bury millions into a project. 100,000 subs? All paying $10 a month? Ok, now we are talking business.

Edit: This isn't fanboism, it isn't "sucking his cock" it is just business. Someone had to take the leap of faith that large scale MMOs wasn't a complete waste of money. You can be damn sure Sony wasn't going to be the first one to take that leap. Don't really give a fuck if you agree or not.

[Fammaden]

He's right though. It doesn't really take anything away from Garriot per se, but if it hadn't been him it would have been someone else in some form. Dungeons and Dragons in multiplayer computer form seemed pretty much inevitable to me. Maybe he deserves credit for what he did but something would have materialized either way I expect.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

I have no doubt in my mind that MMOs were going to happen with out UO but UO opened the door and was instrumental to the genre. Everquest's concept is due to MUDs but securing the funds to make the damn thing would be due to Ultima Online reaching 100,000 subs in 6 months showing that MMOs have a serious possibility for making money. Games like The Realm and Meridian came first but they also never reached a level of success that made the big name companies take notice. A few thousand subs is not enough to get companies like Sony and Microsoft to bury millions into a project. 100,000 subs? All paying $10 a month? Ok, now we are talking business.

Edit: This isn't fanboism, it isn't "sucking his cock" it is just business. Someone had to take the leap of faith that large scale MMOs wasn't a complete waste of money. You can be damn sure Sony wasn't going to be the first one to take that leap. Don't really give a fuck if you agree or not.

Minor detail: Everquest started development a good year to eighteen months before UO launched. But hey, when have you ever let the facts get in the way of your little screeds?