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[BurnemWizfyre]

I dint say anything about a car, how you got that quote with my name in it is beyond me someone else said that.

[Rusty Dagger]

Originally Posted by Fog

If you run out of things to do, then why don't you fucking unsubscribe in between content releases? Problem solved.

First of all because there's usually a COUPLE small things you can do per week: dailies, top_tier_dungeon03 clear, maybe some pvp etc. Point is these account for at most a couple hours a week. It's hardly a stretch to request that a game as big as wow be able to provide more than that.

What are you talking about? What does World of Warcraft have to do with a car?

In both scenarios you make the upfront purchase (which, admittedly compared to WoW, the car's is proportionately substantially more to its upkeep), a monthly fee or equivalent (gas, repair), and you bought it in the first place to fulfill a very specific function that need not be replicated. One is personal transportation, the other is killing time/having fun between sleep, school/work, social activities, etc. I see about as much need for a 2nd car as a 2nd game to play. In both cases you find the one that fits what you need/want the best, and use it. Why would you want a 2nd if you have the 1st?

[BurnemWizfyre]

Originally Posted by Runnen

I played both EverQuest and World of Warcraft, and it is undeniable that Sony churned out expansions like there was no tomorrow. But I do disagree that WoW's expansions aren't good enough to justify the long wait, compared to EQ's.

To justify this, you mention that "all we got was a rehashed Naxx and 3 Onyxia-style fights", but I really doubt all the time spent between Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King was used to create those raid instances, and keep in mind that raiding content is only moderately used by a majority of their player base. They created a huge continent (larger than Burning Crusade), upgraded some graphics (translucent ice/water and lighting effects), they created phasing, the vehicle interface, the destructible buildings, and about 800 quests, along with one of the most praised "newbie" zones ever, the Death Knight starting area. Of course, they also had to try and balance the brand new class (didn't work out too well there!).

I did enjoy EverQuest a lot back then, but I was looking the other day at the website of some guilds that still play it, and I see the same mob models (Mata'Muram style) that were used 9 expansions ago (not an exageration).

Blizzard has always been more than slow about delivering new content and patches, but you cannot possibly compare the overall quality of the finished product to any other competitive company.

Yes they did some rather neat and interesting things with the expansion i agree completely. Yes the leveling zones were huge etc. etc. etc, its different expectation from different people. Some people love the fact that the zones are so huge and filled with quest, in fact so many quest you can reach max level without visting at least 2 with 0 rested experience or in my alts case almost 4.

Some people would rather have more content and are of the opinion that the game starts at max level, im not here saying my way is right i demand this or that. Im not in charge and i dont feel as though my opinion is the right one and the only one that should be catered to. Its simply just my opinion.

As far as canceling till new content, thats not fair to the people i play with and the time required to help like i should isn't much at all. 15$ is cheap as fuck for the amount of time of actual enjoyment the game gives imo. Can't someone express they aren't happy with the rate of content, but content with the game in general and not get their shit jumped on this forum anymore lol?

[Mist]

The big problem with WoW is there's no self-perpetuating content that isn't part of the advancement grind. You spend all of your time trying to 'progress' your character, and then there's no real activity to have 'fun' with the character you spent all that time progressing. Battlegrounds should fill this role, but they don't, they're just the worst part of the grind at this point.

This then leads to the only 'fun' being found in places where you can advance your character easily, and once those are exhausted, there's no other 'fun to be found for the week.

[Lenaldo]

Originally Posted by Mist

The big problem with WoW is there's no self-perpetuating content that isn't part of the advancement grind. You spend all of your time trying to 'progress' your character, and then there's no real activity to have 'fun' with the character you spent all that time progressing. Battlegrounds should fill this role, but they don't, they're just the worst part of the grind at this point.

This then leads to the only 'fun' being found in places where you can advance your character easily, and once those are exhausted, there's no other 'fun to be found for the week.

See I think this is right on.... In vanilla having amazing pve gear made you rape face in battlegrounds and it was "fun". In wrath theres just no point, you are waiting for the next instance/expansion/etc.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by Rusty Dagger

...you bought it in the first place to fulfill a very specific function that need not be replicated...killing time/having fun between sleep, school/work, social activities, etc...I see about as much need for a 2nd car as a 2nd game to play. In both cases you find the one that fits what you need/want the best, and use it. Why would you want a 2nd if you have the 1st?

I think you're in a tiny minority. Most people would rather be doing different things all the time for entertainment than the same one every night.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Fog

I think you're in a tiny minority. Most people would rather be doing different things all the time for entertainment than the same one every night.

I dunno, part of the value of a subscription game is that you don't have to buy too many other games.

[BurnemWizfyre]

The only game on my computer currently is WoW, i am not a big gamer at all and i believe i am spoiled by MMO's. MMO's are cheap, provide lots of entertainment for the cost, especially if you like all different aspects that MMO's provide.

Everyone is going to bitch about something in the game, but everyone that bitches about it doesnt mean they aren't happy with the game they just see room for improvement from their point of view.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by Mist

I dunno, part of the value of a subscription game is that you don't have to buy too many other games.

Maybe, but even in the context of a single, popular, addictive game like WoW, people still look for variety -- c.f. this very thread. I think the only reason a person plays "only one" MMORPG is because they really like the genre and because a lot of MMORPGs are poorly designed and aren't any fun (or aren't any fun until you sink a ton of time into them first.) As a result, they pick a good one and stick with it.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Fog

Maybe, but even in the context of a single, popular, addictive game like WoW, people still look for variety -- c.f. this very thread. I think the only reason a person plays "only one" MMORPG is because they really like the genre and because a lot of MMORPGs are poorly designed and aren't any fun (or aren't any fun until you sink a ton of time into them first.) As a result, they pick a good one and stick with it.

People like variety, which is why a good MMO should have a variety of fun activities to engage in with your character. Currently, WoW really doesn't, due to the sad state of 'fun' in both BGs and Arenas.

[Fog]

Originally Posted by BurnemWizfyre

Everyone is going to bitch about something in the game, but everyone that bitches about it doesnt mean they aren't happy with the game they just see room for improvement from their point of view.

The thing is, you're not bitching about a specific thing. You just want more more more of the thing. Well -- humans only get so much done so fast, and that's how it is. Blizzard employees don't have a "turbo mode" button that management can press because you want more content, and they don't have secret triple-speed production processes that can be activated at the flick of a switch.

[BurnemWizfyre]

Originally Posted by Fog

The thing is, you're not bitching about a specific thing. You just want more more more of the thing. Well -- humans only get so much done so fast, and that's how it is. Blizzard employees don't have a "turbo mode" button that management can press because you want more content, and they don't have secret triple-speed production processes that can be activated at the flick of a switch.

Like i said, Quality vs Quantity. Sony can push things out much faster then Blizzard, that fact is proven by history. Blizzard provides better quality, i can understand you cant have to many hands in the cookie jar when it comes to producing things to a certain extent i guess. Theres trade offs for the speed, some people would be willing to accept that the fact that this might be bugged or something doesn't look as good as it should if the pace was much quicker and kept things fresh instead of long lengths of time with nothing new. Some people would be upset as well im sure, you cant please everyone i suppose.

[Twobit Whore]

ITT people expect 24/7 nonstop entertainment for 15 bucks. I'm usually the last one to compare an MMO sub with other entertainment venues, but there is NOTHING on this planet that will provide you with 720 hours of unique entertainment a month for 15 bucks. NOTHING. And if you find it, please share with the class.

[Clericnon2boxed]

If Blizzard managed a full expansion every 6 months, that would be an extra half billion revenue, probably will be through with every fantasy / horror / steampunk subject and cliché in 3 years then and level 150 would be near. Shortterm they could make a lot more, long term they are better of keeping things as slow as possible. (ie 1 expansion every 18-24 months, + content patches and some talent/spell/glyph/tradeskill changes to spice things up and nerf it a bit later)

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

ITT people expect 24/7 nonstop entertainment for 15 bucks. I'm usually the last one to compare an MMO sub with other entertainment venues, but there is NOTHING on this planet that will provide you with 720 hours of unique entertainment a month for 15 bucks. NOTHING. And if you find it, please share with the class.

ultima online provided this over 10 years ago. next time do your hw or you're getting detention.