[WoW]WotLK

[Sharmai]

... Sigh what's so hard to understand about enjoying being part of a large group of expert players? I pull my weight on all of my alt's and I get pissed at your average mouthbreather who isn't trying and I get pissed with having to commit to a schedule for a goddamn game. I got a life and I can't commit my life to WoW but I want to raid.


I suppose you fuckers with no life wouldn't understand how that's frustrating.

[Twobit Whore]

Us "experts" raid for 3 and a half hours, one night a week. Serious no-life issues there.

[Sharmai]

Way to miss the point. I can't commit to a standard schedule. Life has to take priority. But this is a game and I enjoy reaching for some of the harder aspects. Unfortunately to do things like "immortal" or "undying" I need to coordinate with 9-24 other people and their schedule. I can't do that. I've got a life and that takes time.


What I envision is when I find a couple hours of free time I could jump on and be in a guild where I could find 9-24 other players and do some of the harder things in the game. (those two achievements are just some quick examples) A guild large enough that it's not empty and dead at 4AM like everything else. A guild large enough missing a raid one night doesn't screw you till next week. A guild large enough where you can switch to your alt as you wish instead of at the guild pleasure.

It's like in college there were those 24/hour spots you could go to and find other people at all hours any time and just have a good time. No drama. Didn't have to know them all before hand. You could just pull up spark up a conversation and have a great time. And maybe you see them again and maybe you don't.

[Lefazz]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Us "experts" raid for 3 and a half hours, one night a week. Serious no-life issues there.

Problem is most good guilds, who are recruiting, still advertise that they raid 4-5 nights a week. I guess we'll have to see if Ulduar suddenly necessitates all that extra time.

Originally Posted by Sharmai

What I envision is when I find a couple hours of free time I could jump on and be in a guild where I could find 9-24 other players and do some of the harder things in the game. (those two achievements are just some quick examples) A guild large enough that it's not empty and dead at 4AM like everything else. A guild large enough missing a raid one night doesn't screw you till next week. A guild large enough where you can switch to your alt as you wish instead of at the guild pleasure.

I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm an excellent player but I cannot commit to a "hardcore" schedule. So what am I to do? Join some casual guild that can't do shit? (In fact that's what I did recently -- joined a group of real life friends which half have no situational awareness and makes 10-man Naxx the hardest damn thing ever and the other half is more concerned about not-combat pet achievements and what not). It's seriously frustrating.

[James]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

You want to be a random faceless person that doesn't have to be counted on, got it. Thanks for sharing.

It's not like that at all. Core group gameplay still very much exists in any size group of players. I can be one of 500 in Serious Casual, but I still very much have a voice and am depended upon in my raid group every single day. The difference is instead of missing a few people at raid time and potentially cancelling or pushing back a few hours, we can fill the slot fairly easily, and sometimes with an equivalent or better replacement. There's absolutely 0 chance my raid group won't be around until the end of Icecrown, whereas small guild dramas and shit can wreak quite the bit of havoc over small fry shit.

[madmaan]

Originally Posted by Sharmai

Way to miss the point. I can't commit to a standard schedule. Life has to take priority. But this is a game and I enjoy reaching for some of the harder aspects. Unfortunately to do things like "immortal" or "undying" I need to coordinate with 9-24 other people and their schedule. I can't do that. I've got a life and that takes time.


What I envision is when I find a couple hours of free time I could jump on and be in a guild where I could find 9-24 other players and do some of the harder things in the game. (those two achievements are just some quick examples) A guild large enough that it's not empty and dead at 4AM like everything else. A guild large enough missing a raid one night doesn't screw you till next week. A guild large enough where you can switch to your alt as you wish instead of at the guild pleasure.

It's like in college there were those 24/hour spots you could go to and find other people at all hours any time and just have a good time. No drama. Didn't have to know them all before hand. You could just pull up spark up a conversation and have a great time. And maybe you see them again and maybe you don't.

So, you are wanting a guild that runs progression instances multiple times a day 7 days a week that is only filled with good members.

Who wouldn't want that?

[Sharmai]

Oh and I guess the most distinctive thing between what I am trying to say and what we are use to is attendance requirements/ We have all be a part of this and most of us still are. The guild I envision is based on "If your good enough to be here then you and your alts are good enough to stay. Come when you can."

It obviously won't be any sort of progression based guild but when your players are competent you'll be downing content anyway so progression will happen. And as long as everyone's having fun then that is the whole point.

I'm not like makata in that respect. Progression is not the only way to have fun for me.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by madmaan

So, you are wanting a guild that runs progression instances multiple times a day 7 days a week that is only filled with good members.

Who wouldn't want that?

With no attendance requirements, 5 days a week, 5 times a week and usually a large compliment of players on at off hours for whatever. Where players are competent and can play any of their many characters well. With players who enjoy being in large groups instead of smaller groups. With players who enjoy progression and fun equally but are not plagued with the drive for just progression.
Yes I know it's impossible. I get it. I'm done.

[James]

Originally Posted by Sharmai

Yes I know it's impossible. I get it. I'm done.

I guess I'm just chopped fuckin liver. Anyway, here's a study someone did of SC back in BC when we only had two raid groups.

[James]

Oh nice, big images. Here's the .doc that goes with it.

[Sharmai]

James SC has attendance requirements doesn't it? Maybe not now but it will with new content and did have them in the past? And is use to implementing that and possibly removing players not active enough during those times?

That kind of defeats the whole purpose of the vision. As attendance requirements are only really needed for small elite raids groups that depend on people showing up right?

[James]

Any raid group has attendance requirements. You can't get out of "hey, we need you to show up at X time" no matter what. Beyond that, no, not really, not compared to the requirements of other guilds at least. The bottom line is if you're some black ops Green Beret or some shit IRL and are fighting Charlie over in 'Nam on random days of the week that makes it to where you can't commit to an exact schedule, you'd still probably never miss an ID reset in SC.

[Sharmai]

I admit you just confused me James. If you raid xx:xx time per week but certain players never know if they will be on at the time then they won't miss the raid lock out? Or do you mean they can come to any day of the week raid time and that's fine. It doesn't matter if they don't show up to the same one each week as long as they show up to one?


Oh and I meant that in my perfect never going to happen utpoia a good competent player is always welcome to the guild. Always welcome to raid with the guild. If they feel the passion for progression and leave for a progression guild that's fine. If they want to come back to just have fun they are always welcome. I get more enjoyment out of playing with competent players then getting +5 more to all stats so that's why I lean that way.

[James]

SC is a social network, nothing more. The guild maintains no requirements to the guild other than you must be an EJ Benefactor prior to a certain date (unsure of what that is now), or be sponsored by one. Each raid group varies on their attendance requirement, with most being fairly lenient. If for some reason you can't make the run with the raid group you signed up with (slotted out, missed the day, whatever), there's more than a few others that usually have open spots in SC alone, PLUS the various raid groups in other guilds that regularly recruit SC players as PUGs.

[Heylel Teomim]

Call me a newb or whatever, but wtf is SC? I ask because the way James makes it sound it's a pretty sweet deal.