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[Cybsled]

Or the warlock can buy a sundial + get the Grim Toll from HNax. I love it when they both proc around the sametime...mmm, big number goodness.

[Pyros]

I was obviously joking about AE deathgrip, it'd be totally useless in most situations because it'd force taunt on everything in the room almost including bosses, and it'd be retarded for pvp(well WAR does have an AE pull strat, and even though it was nerfed, I'm pretty sure it's still gay as shit).

I don't think we need another taunt, but they could add one for all I care, I've never really NEEDED it, sometimes when my runes are down or DnD is down I think FUCK when I need AE threat, but I can still manage, and with bloodboil working without diseases, it should be decent for initial aggro(rare that you have both empower and blood tap down).

WTB Patch Notes.

[Modo Icecrown]

DKs becoming the Magnataur from Dota would be way imba

[LadyVex]

Originally Posted by Pyros

I was obviously joking about AE deathgrip, it'd be totally useless in most situations because it'd force taunt on everything in the room almost including bosses, and it'd be retarded for pvp(well WAR does have an AE pull strat, and even though it was nerfed, I'm pretty sure it's still gay as shit).

I don't think we need another taunt, but they could add one for all I care, I've never really NEEDED it, sometimes when my runes are down or DnD is down I think FUCK when I need AE threat, but I can still manage, and with bloodboil working without diseases, it should be decent for initial aggro(rare that you have both empower and blood tap down).

WTB Patch Notes.

I think people are vastly overestimating how necessary I thought it was. I was curious if it was in the works since this is a tankish thing that DKs don't have. They're very powerful all over the place, but the few times I've had a DK tank for me or tanked with mine, I've often times thought that I didn't need the second single target taunt, but an AE taunt would have been nice if/when someone prox pulls something down on their retarded ass.

That and I think that DKs have like, everything else, it's surprising this was one of the things left off the list.

I too echo the sentiment that I would enjoy some patch notes ><

[Trifle]

Originally Posted by LadyVex

They're very powerful all over the place, but the few times I've had a DK tank for me or tanked with mine, I've often times thought that I didn't need the second single target taunt, but an AE taunt would have been nice if/when someone prox pulls something down on their retarded ass.

There's really 2 circumstances where death grip is useful in pve: for positioning things in a more advantageous way (quickly pulling casters to you, stacking sparks on malygos etc) or for a mocking blow effect where a standard taunt wouldn't be as useful.

A good example of the latter is when Skadi in Utgarde Pinnacle whirlwinds. If you taunt him, he's fairly likely to just switch targets right after and go after a clothy. If you death grip him, he'll be forced to chase after you for 3 seconds, giving the rest of the group ample time to back away.

And if some idiot prox aggroes a bunch of mobs an ae taunt won't really make a huge difference anyway as it won't give you any appreciable threat. Better off just dropping a d&d between them and him, or on top of him if you're a bit slower. Frost specced DKs can just howling blast to grab them all, too.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

I must use Challenging Shout like once a week.

[Krag]

Originally Posted by Trifle

A good example of the latter is when Skadi in Utgarde Pinnacle whirlwinds. If you taunt him, he's fairly likely to just switch targets right after and go after a clothy. If you death grip him, he'll be forced to chase after you for 3 seconds, giving the rest of the group ample time to back away.

Not that it really matters, but Dark Command (like the other class taunts) is a 3 second forced target switch too on top of the threat gain.

Death Grip has a much longer cooldown so I generally use Dark Command (on my twink) for normal taunts and Death Grip if stuff is running around (like the stupid archers in HoL and things like that) or Dark Command is on cooldown.

And I honestly can't really remember when I last used AE taunt while tanking on my druid.

[Trifle]

Originally Posted by Krag

Not that it really matters, but Dark Command (like the other class taunts) is a 3 second forced target switch too on top of the threat gain.

Hmm, looking on wowhead, it does have a 3 second taunt as a secondary effect, but its very different from death grips 3 second forced attack... I swear I've seen Skadi change targets straight after a Dark Command too, so I'm not quite sure if maybe Dark Command's target switch isn't as all encompassing? I'll test it out later maybe and see if I can tell.

[James]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

I must use Challenging Shout like once a week.

You mean you use it every time you log on?! Shoot I gotta use it like once a month at the rate I'm loggin in.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Originally Posted by James

You mean you use it every time you log on?! Shoot I gotta use it like once a month at the rate I'm loggin in.

Damn, James. Busted.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Trifle

Hmm, looking on wowhead, it does have a 3 second taunt as a secondary effect, but its very different from death grips 3 second forced attack... I swear I've seen Skadi change targets straight after a Dark Command too, so I'm not quite sure if maybe Dark Command's target switch isn't as all encompassing? I'll test it out later maybe and see if I can tell.

Dark Command works just fine, you might have had other issues, but all taunts act the same way, and Death Grip is a taunt. Mocking Blow is a special mechanic(or was last time I played a war) that forces targetting without actually increasing threat, but Grip isn't like that.

The good thing about 2 single target taunt is you can use them consecutively for a longer forced taunt effect(which obviously warriors do better). I usually use DC for stuff I need to taunt, and DG to move mobs in certain conditions(get blazes off MT healer on Sarth for example, and specifically move them out of the flame wall). I also use DG for comical effect on KT every week. Pull an abomination and laugh at the trajectory, never fails.

And vex yeah while your comment wasn't too serious, there's not much else to discuss and it's actually rather interesting to question why the DKs have arguable the worst taunts now(since protadin buff, before that I liked having 2 taunt more than a single 3target taunt), but you could argue they have some of the best AE tanking options, as well as ranged threat moves and AE dots, which makes the need for a real AE taunt not that important. Paladins AE taunt is also pretty shitty, it's still only 3 targets, and only if they're attacking the same person, in a situation where you'd actually need an AE taunt, that wouldn't help all that much, but, surprise, they have the 2nd best AE tanking, as well as arguably the best ranged threat move ever(avenger's shield). I think it's a tradeoff. Ask a warrior or a feral though, I'm sure they'd trade challenging shout/roar for Death and Decay any day.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

why the DKs have arguable the worst taunts now

What.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

What.

Well DK: 2 single target taunt, one on 40s cooldown
Paladin: 1single target and 1 friendly 3target taunt, 8 and 12sec(I think)
Warrior: 1single taunt, 1 melee forced attack(45s cd?) and 1 AE taunt
Druid: 1single taunt, 1 AE taunt

I guess we compete with druids for the worst spot, but while DG is very good for pvp, most of the time shit is immune to the pulling mechanic in pve and its range isn't an advantage anymore since they made all taunts 30y range.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Challenging Shout is just AE Mocking Blow.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

Challenging Shout is just AE Mocking Blow.

Yeah. It sucks balls.