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Fammaden · 02-21-2009, 04:21 PM

I thought the Kara key would have been maybe the perfect template for the kind of keying I would expect and would go well with WoW. Of course they took out the requirement as long as you had someone else there with one. Did they eventually just unlock the place altogether? Getting your urn was a decent addition to that place too I thought. This was not insurmountable shit for anyone in the game. I don't see it as being about stopping anyone or e peen stroking or anything like that. Really beating a dead horse here though, if you can't see how this adds "something" to the game then we just don't see eye to eye. Plus, I guess the majority has spoken in favor of just ditching such things completely, so I lose.

Cybsled · 02-21-2009, 04:31 PM

Clearly ebaying takes more skill then raiding.

And since guys like Jay want to throw out how "skilld" they were and how "hardkore", lets not bring up Ye Old EQ1 hardcore, no-job-cept-college raiding days. The ol' 20-hour straight camp n' raid sessions as we waited for calenders to expire, the 8 hour CRs caused by massive grief training and poor geometry.

However, most of us have the sense now to realize that shit sucks and we wasted too much time doing garbage like that!

Araxen · 02-21-2009, 04:31 PM

I viewed keys as the devs own personal cockblock. If they don't want you in a place too early or they haven't finished the zone they key that shit up. How many key quests were "broke" or the devs lie to their playebase and say the key quest is working when it was actually broke because they weren't finished with the zone yet.

Keys are nothing but bullshit always have been.

JeydaX · 02-21-2009, 04:37 PM

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stuff

You went here, didn't you?

FoghornDeadhorn · 02-21-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fammaden

I thought the Kara key would have been maybe the perfect template for the kind of keying I would expect and would go well with WoW. Of course they took out the requirement as long as you had someone else there with one. Did they eventually just unlock the place altogether? Getting your urn was a decent addition to that place too I thought. This was not insurmountable shit for anyone in the game. I don't see it as being about stopping anyone or e peen stroking or anything like that. Really beating a dead horse here though, if you can't see how this adds "something" to the game then we just don't see eye to eye. Plus, I guess the majority has spoken in favor of just ditching such things completely, so I lose.

I think they can add something, but I tired of helping people with their keys a long time ago. It's tiresome and there are better ways to do the only positive thing that keying (sometimes) does, which is storytelling.

When keys were taken off of T6, two things happened:

1) A bunch of guilds started clearing T6
2) A bunch of T6 guilds stopped having to key people

When Kara keys were removed:

1) People stopped having to help alt #346 get keyed

Zerai · 02-21-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JeydaX

Has nothing to do with keying, you fucking moron. It is aboslutely fucking retarded that people just expect to show up in a zone without having experienced and beat the content previous to it in the current expansion. It's like buying Zelda and saying, well I paid for it so send me straight to Ganon.

SEE WHAT IM GETTING AT?

LOL Holier than thou LOL.

Actually, what you're trying to imply is like buying Twilight Princess and it asking for your save game from the Windwaker..TO PROVE YOU BELONG.

Anyway, you can drop the E-thug attitude. It's not like all of us weren't there or guilded with people like you 8 years ago. We've just moved on. Blizzard moved on with us.

But if you want to E-thug it up, there are other games like Lineage 2, EQ1, Eve which you might appreciate more.

JeydaX · 02-21-2009, 04:58 PM

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Actually, what you're trying to imply is like buying Twilight Princess and it asking for your save game from the Windwaker..TO PROVE YOU BELONG.

That made no sense, zero, none whatsoever.

Itzena · 02-21-2009, 05:03 PM

Fukken casual-arse '04s, jumpin' in here and makin' poasts like they think they earned it.

chu · 02-21-2009, 05:05 PM

It did, you're just an idiot.

Why isn't it painfully obvious to you that the train left and you're the only one left standing on the platform?

JerleMinara · 02-21-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JeydaX

It should be harder (require skill) and to an extent require *some* gear to beat.

So basically you're saying that it should be harder(it will be) and require better gear than you get as a fresh 80(it will) and you feel the need to write endless nonsense about it.

They've said Ulduar will be harder. They've said you'll have to be geared for it. Why the fuck are you even complaining at this point? You're acting like Ulduar is going to be exactly the same difficulty as naxx, and you're shitting your panties because you think it'll be doable in pre-Naxx gear.

They've said it won't, we know it won't, so why the fuck are you still talking?

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That made no sense, zero, none whatsoever.

That made plenty of sense and it's the more appropriate analogy. It seems he understands what you're demanding better than you do.

Edit: Also it occurs to me that you wouldn't be able to access Ulduar under your standard. You haven't beaten Sarth 10+3. Way to be, son.

darksensei · 02-21-2009, 05:12 PM

They've said it won't, we know it won't...

They're believable. Hard mode content will probably be hard, but I fully expect every server to have someone with the title by week 1.

JerleMinara · 02-21-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by darksensei

They've said it won't, we know it won't...

They're believable. Hard mode content will probably be hard, but I fully expect every server to have someone with the title by week 1.

I expect easy mode to be full cleared by night 1, maybe night 2. That's the new paradigm.

But all this bitching about "you have to have the gear to be able to make it in ulduar" earns a big 'no shit'. Of course it'll be tuned harder than 25 green-geared players, that's a fucking no brainer.

Honestly I think Griddle's just looking for an excuse to talk about how badass he is. He can't seriously believe they'll tune Ulduar to require no naxx gear. Nobody can.

darksensei · 02-21-2009, 05:17 PM

Keep in mind that if the new paradigm is similar to what we saw with WOTLK release + more hard modes, that guilds beat that content with loot over 50 item points below heroic gear. The difference between heroic gear/blues and Naxx isn't nearly as large. I fully expect any solid guild could complete easy Ulduar with 10 man epics, the difference being any solid guild already has much better.

At least there is enough incentive this time around to farm the hardest modes. My guild current finds doing 2 2 drake sarth to be more valuable than 1 3 drake sarth because all it offers is a stupid mount.

JeydaX · 02-21-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JerleMinara

Edit: Also it occurs to me that you wouldn't be able to access Ulduar under your standard. You haven't beaten Sarth 10+3. Way to be, son.

Probably because I don't give two shits about 10 man Sarth and have put in all of an hour or so worth attempts and it was as Ret, which is my off-spec. Another thing I don't give a shit about. I guarantee I'd beat that stupid shit in a heartbeat if I really cared. But now because I know you care SO MUCH about me that you had to armory me and get all QQ about it, that makes me even more content with this stupid game.

And no, his analogy made no sense at all because those are two different games. Perhaps if I had said you had to beat TBC raids before doing WOTLK raids then it would make sense, but it's not, so no, you're wrong again. It is more akin to my analogy of hey I beat forest level as a kid in Ocarina, fuck I don't want to do the other two just send me to Ganon, yea!

I'm done trolling you retards, time to go to the bars.

Peace out faggots.

JerleMinara · 02-21-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JeydaX

I'm done trolling you retards, time to go to the bars.

Peace out faggots.

Man you are fucking cool. I wish I could be like you. Hurf-durf

02-21-2009, 04:21 PM	#6511 (permalink)
Fammaden Treats objects like women. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Posts: 3,496 +43 Internets	I thought the Kara key would have been maybe the perfect template for the kind of keying I would expect and would go well with WoW. Of course they took out the requirement as long as you had someone else there with one. Did they eventually just unlock the place altogether? Getting your urn was a decent addition to that place too I thought. This was not insurmountable shit for anyone in the game. I don't see it as being about stopping anyone or e peen stroking or anything like that. Really beating a dead horse here though, if you can't see how this adds "something" to the game then we just don't see eye to eye. Plus, I guess the majority has spoken in favor of just ditching such things completely, so I lose. __________________ Fammaden - Wizard - Saryrn (Retired) WoW: Shaman/Mage/Hunter/Druid

02-21-2009, 04:31 PM	#6512 (permalink)
Cybsled Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 10,505 +50 Internets	Clearly ebaying takes more skill then raiding. And since guys like Jay want to throw out how "skilld" they were and how "hardkore", lets not bring up Ye Old EQ1 hardcore, no-job-cept-college raiding days. The ol' 20-hour straight camp n' raid sessions as we waited for calenders to expire, the 8 hour CRs caused by massive grief training and poor geometry. However, most of us have the sense now to realize that shit sucks and we wasted too much time doing garbage like that! __________________ Training the citizens of Norrath from 1999-2003!

02-21-2009, 04:31 PM	#6513 (permalink)
Araxen A Bearded Gnome Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Chicago, IL Posts: 5,513	I viewed keys as the devs own personal cockblock. If they don't want you in a place too early or they haven't finished the zone they key that shit up. How many key quests were "broke" or the devs lie to their playebase and say the key quest is working when it was actually broke because they weren't finished with the zone yet. Keys are nothing but bullshit always have been. __________________ PSN: Araxen Currently Playing: Eve - Talendor Vsevius(Main), Beth O(Salvage Alt))

02-21-2009, 05:03 PM	#6518 (permalink)
Itzena SOS-dan #76564674 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Near a big fucking castle, the UK Posts: 7,495 -24 Internets	Fukken casual-arse '04s, jumpin' in here and makin' poasts like they think they earned it. __________________

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02-21-2009, 05:05 PM	#6519 (permalink)
chu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,598 -68 Internets	It did, you're just an idiot. Why isn't it painfully obvious to you that the train left and you're the only one left standing on the platform?

02-21-2009, 05:12 PM	#6521 (permalink)
darksensei Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,063	They've said it won't, we know it won't... They're believable. Hard mode content will probably be hard, but I fully expect every server to have someone with the title by week 1.

02-21-2009, 05:17 PM	#6523 (permalink)
darksensei Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,063	Keep in mind that if the new paradigm is similar to what we saw with WOTLK release + more hard modes, that guilds beat that content with loot over 50 item points below heroic gear. The difference between heroic gear/blues and Naxx isn't nearly as large. I fully expect any solid guild could complete easy Ulduar with 10 man epics, the difference being any solid guild already has much better. At least there is enough incentive this time around to farm the hardest modes. My guild current finds doing 2 2 drake sarth to be more valuable than 1 3 drake sarth because all it offers is a stupid mount.