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[FoghornDeadhorn]

WWS to prove your guild's DPS isn't total garbage?

[Toxxulian]

The World of Warcraft Armory


no wws though

[Spontaneous Cumbustion]

Gear doesn't really prove anything. Warlock topping DPS means your guild has some pretty bad DPS'rs.

[Clug]

Um, affliction warlock dps is fine in good guilds. Your locks need to L2play if they are not near the top.

Wow Web Stats for example, locks that do not suck. Gotta love 5400 DPS rogues not even breaking the top 10. And those were mutilate rogues, don't bring up bugged HAT.

[Hardcore Cracka]

Originally Posted by Xequecal

It's 20 yards unless they scaled it back and didn't mention it.

Huh. Finally a reason to play my paladin.

[Kylax]

Originally Posted by Sithro

In a good way or a bad way?

Warlocks in PvE are fine.

Warlocks in PVP are unbearable.

[Spontaneous Cumbustion]

Originally Posted by Clug

Um, affliction warlock dps is fine in good guilds. Your locks need to L2play if they are not near the top.

Wow Web Stats for example, locks that do not suck. Gotta love 5400 DPS rogues not even breaking the top 10. And those were mutilate rogues, don't bring up bugged HAT.

Under two minute fights are really no judge of anything.

One screw up in whatever you are doing can totally fubar you in such a small amount of time.

[Brikker]

I kept hearing these rumors (and might have even seen it on MMO Champ at some point) but have seen nothing official (in terms of notes or whatever):

Enhance Shaman:

Are spirit wolves finally properly scaling in this patch?

Is Windfury weap glyph being changed from +40% ap on WF to +5% chance to proc WF?

[Chaotic]

I'm desperately trying to think of what i'm going to spec tommorow on my DK.


10/31/30

17/31/13

0/32/39

17/??/0 (frost 2h)

Noooo clue at all. Really have to figure it out too because we doing all our content tomorrow and have to have some kind of drop goal (weapons really here)

EJ is no help either, they are as dumbstruck as me.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

I'm desperately trying to think of what i'm going to spec tommorow on my DK.


10/31/30

17/31/13

0/32/39

17/??/0 (frost 2h)

Noooo clue at all. Really have to figure it out too because we doing all our content tomorrow and have to have some kind of drop goal (weapons really here)

EJ is no help either, they are as dumbstruck as me.

That's DW DPS I guess, the same builds will probably be fine until people TC the real new levels. No one has bothered because it was pointless to theorycraft something, to have KM changed the next build and have to redo all the math using other builds. The unholy DW builds look rather good though since they're less affected by the changes, and they gain all the "buffs" like NoTD/Necrosis/IT sigil. Your DPS will drop, but it should be acceptable, and if your guild can't understand that after a patch that nerfs the shit out of your current build you might not be at 100% right away, it's full of idiots. But if you look at it, there's nerfs, but there's quite a few buffs too, so it should still hover around 5k DPS.

As for locks, they do fine, most of the time(by fine I mean, not top dps, but not bottom either), but they seem to be one of the most unforgiving class ever as affliction spec. Our lock DPS can vary widely on the same fight different tries simply because he fucks up his rotation at one point. In PvP however, yes they struggle, like a lot of classes really. I got a negative for saying pvp sucked in wow currently, but I'll reiterate, balance is shit, and you really shouldn't bother with wow if what you want is balanced pvp. Then again, there's nothing else to play, but it's not too late to reroll a rogue, a DK or a paladin.

Edit: I also got a negative from someone saying my opinion was biased toward DK, I assume because of comments about tanking. I'm sorry, but there's only a very few situations where DKs aren't the best tanks, and that is AE tanking mitigation(no blocks) and single target burst threat. DKs are currently better tanks on almost all aspects, but they can struggle a bit on threat without a protadin buffing BoSanctuary, or rogues chain tricking. With either you pretty much annihilate non paladins(who use JoL threat and double rank shield slam). It's a fact, DKs take on average less damage than any other tank, they're also better than any other tank for sarth3D which is currently the "hardest" encounter(could argue ferals are better because they don't use cooldowns, but they require almost twice as much healing). And they're buffing DK tanking, and not buffing other tanks. It's not bias. It's just facts. That doesn't mean other tanks are useless, but DKs are better. Like prot warriors were better than protadins and ferals in TBC, even though some fights favored the usage of either on specific fights.

[Daezuel]

I'd just like to point out that at least last week a warlock was on the #1 3v3 team on bloodlust, I've fought a couple warlock teams over 2k in 2v2, and I know a warlock on another battlegroup thats in the top 5 in all 3 brackets, #1 in 5's at least.

Not so sure locks are as shitty as everyone makes them out to be, they just aren't faceroll glads anymore.

[Clug]

Originally Posted by Spontaneous Cumbustion

Under two minute fights are really no judge of anything.

One screw up in whatever you are doing can totally fubar you in such a small amount of time.

You can check the entire clear with that link, you know that, right? Includes Maly and Sarth (all 25 man content.).

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by Pyros

That's DW DPS I guess, the same builds will probably be fine until people TC the real new levels. No one has bothered because it was pointless to theorycraft something, to have KM changed the next build and have to redo all the math using other builds. The unholy DW builds look rather good though since they're less affected by the changes, and they gain all the "buffs" like NoTD/Necrosis/IT sigil. Your DPS will drop, but it should be acceptable, and if your guild can't understand that after a patch that nerfs the shit out of your current build you might not be at 100% right away, it's full of idiots. But if you look at it, there's nerfs, but there's quite a few buffs too, so it should still hover around 5k DPS.

You really think the IT sigil will outdo the new +173 crit sigil? I can spam 16 icy touches over the course of a minute or whatever - but all I need is one decent crit as a result of the trinket and it's more then made up for (nevermind the fact that I can chain crit + white hits etc)

I'm not really buying into the "IT sigil best for dw dps" mentality. My BS's are usually enough to proc my trinket even though I only use them to trigger death runes.

Necrosis buff is crap. I'll take it because it's free but going from 20 dps to 40 dps doesnt do much for me.

NOTD is definitely nice but it has two drawbacks - first it forces two points from somewhere else (because really who had this before the change) and two - it's only situationaly good. Meaning there are alot of fights where the ghoul isn't in danger - and he's also still going to get ass raped on alot of fights now regardless. (Sarth, heigan,saph,maly) I really cant think of anything it's going to help him stay alive on to tell you the truth. Heroics and buy you some stupidity time for some things, but i don't know - i think people are overrating this as well. I will take it, don't get me wrong, but i don't think its an OMG YES talent.

I don't think anyone has any idea what's going on with KM right now. I've heard that it's proccing MH more then OH (which makes no sense) i've heard that it's MH only now as well and i've heard some other crap about it too. I spent about thirty minutes reading over the EJ dw thread and they are stumbling over each other and it's just arguments really nothing solid. You're right though going to have to wait for it to play out a bit and adjust.

I just really want to ditch the garg - and i don't like desecration.. leaving me only really saccing bone shield by not going deeper then 20 ish in unholy. The big positive with bone shield would be that it would keep me alive if I did something dumb like get cleaved by saph - but not anymore with the nerf. The question is what to do with these new points.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Pyros

Well to sum it up a bitK DW DPS is getting a huge nerf, but it should still be reasonably high(high 5ks) and still rape on AEing situations due to HB not really being much more limited than before, or KM being much worse than before. Builds and gearing might change slightly.

My understanding of the Killing Machine ppm as far as it's been changed still gives the DW DK a decent, though not as sizable, advantage over 2H DKs.

The biggest DPS nerfs seem to be to the gargoyle pet (damage and duration), Ebon Plague/Crypt Fever stacking, KM procs (questionably slight nerf that can be recovered with a decent haste rating), Blood Caked Blade now proccing for proper offhand damage.

Aside from the gargoyle nerf, the changes are pretty reasonable and hardly "nerf-bat" worthy. Not to mention with perma-ghouls getting 40/70% passive avoidance, they should last longer in instances, and Gnaw will be getting the benefit of having a repeatable/auto pet setting.

I'm sticking with a DW build, but have been going 14/31/26 due to threat reduction, additional AP and enhanced crit. While this gimps me in rotation due to minimal death runes, it offsets my crit for lack of better gear and smooths out the learning curve when I have to do PUG 80 instances/heroic. I'll move to the 10/31/30 eventually.

[Azrayne]

Mages are getting buffed, even though I'm not sure of the details.

Not exactly a buff. Deep fire specs are getting a bit of a mana regen boost, and they're buffing deep arcane and fire/arcane builds to try put them on par with the current cookie cutter fire/frost spec. Unless Arcane somehow vastly outstrips expectations we won't actually be seeing any major increases where we stand DPS wise.