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[Clug]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

Raiders don't give a fuck about epic shards. Remember screenshots of banks FULL with nexus crystals? The only thing we have a steady income of is epic shards.

Pretty much. We DE at least 15 items per 25 man naxx clear already. It will only get higher, sooner rather than later. Note this is 25 man loot, we DE pretty much everything in 10 man unless we have a bunch of alts along.

[Nirgon]

Reading more and more of this thread...

I am still not convinced that the reward for players not experiencing content is a mandatory rehash/retardification of once great content.

I think instead of rereleasing Naxx that trying to enter the zone now should flash a great big TOUGH SHIT and send you back to Dalaran but thats just the cynic in me. I make this comment in expecting the rerelease of a 10man Molten Core for the elemental planes expansion in the future "due to the number of new subscribers in TBC/Wotlk who did not 'get a chance'."

[Believe]

So how viable is dual wield tanking as a DK?

Right now I'm an Unholy Tank, and I love it, but with the incoming Bone Shield nerf, I think it may be better to go Frost because of the high cost to get to Bone Shield (with the nerf, I'm not so sure if it's worth having to sink so many points into some of the fluff in Unholy). Dual Wield is turning out not to be as terrible as most predicted, which is making me wonder whether it would be worth exploring.

After reading some on EJ, the only thing that really concerns me is that Killing Machine seems to be a staple in helping with threat. In my tank gear I have a whopping 7-8% unbuffed (9-10% with HoW) chance to crit, so it just doesn't seem too viable.

Probably going to mess around with specs and try it out to see how I like it. It's hard to understand how viable it may or may not be just from reading EJ. I'm not really at the level they are (tanking 25 mans), and even though I try to maximize my tanking potential, they literally min/max to the extreme that half the time the little things they debate about don't make a huge difference to me.

Anyways, would appreciate some opinions from other DK's.

[Tolanin]

people get all upset about the crystal prices but forget that when we were paying 100g for a nexus crystal, 100g was a ton, dont forget that in tbc those prices were before dailys, when you had maybe enough gold for a mount if you had some saved from wow classic. Now gold inflation is so much higher because theres so many easy dailys and so many quests to do for gold and the 10 man is a ton of gold too... paying 100g when you were considered rich with 5k is alot more than paying 250 when no one would be impressed that you have 15k.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Believe

So how viable is dual wield tanking as a DK?

Right now I'm an Unholy Tank, and I love it, but with the incoming Bone Shield nerf, I think it may be better to go Frost because of the high cost to get to Bone Shield (with the nerf, I'm not so sure if it's worth having to sink so many points into some of the fluff in Unholy). Dual Wield is turning out not to be as terrible as most predicted, which is making me wonder whether it would be worth exploring.

After reading some on EJ, the only thing that really concerns me is that Killing Machine seems to be a staple in helping with threat. In my tank gear I have a whopping 7-8% unbuffed (9-10% with HoW) chance to crit, so it just doesn't seem too viable.

Probably going to mess around with specs and try it out to see how I like it. It's hard to understand how viable it may or may not be just from reading EJ. I'm not really at the level they are (tanking 25 mans), and even though I try to maximize my tanking potential, they literally min/max to the extreme that half the time the little things they debate about don't make a huge difference to me.

Anyways, would appreciate some opinions from other DK's.

Remember in raids you get a lot of crit buffs. Usually a tank will be around 20-25% crit. With that said, there's still some issues with DW threat, at least from the theory point of view. You lose a lot on BS and using HB instead of OB makes you lose some threat too. The white damage isn't probably much higher either, and BCB isn't all that hot when tanking since it procs more parries.

Depends on what you want to tank and stuff. If you're MTing, I'd say there's no reason whatsoever to even consider DW. If you're just OTing, it shouldn't make or break the raid so if you want to DW fine. But in either case, DW should still be strictly inferior to 2H for tanking. It's not like awful though, it's decent, just not the best choice, and usually as a tank you should aim for the best choices. Will have to wait for some real test numbers after the patch however, because currently there's so many different stuff changing(mostly the ability to regem everything and so on) that DW might pull ahead, but I doubt it, the big thing about DW was mitigation before, due to better stats on 2weaps and defense on them. With the new crafted titansteel 2H it's not better anymore however.

[SalaciousTunare]

Originally Posted by TheYanger

If he could drag them there he'd be fully capable of clearing a great many bosses. All this 'stacking high damage' you mention only makes the damage output he does even more insane. And do you REALLY think patchwerk does more damage than Razuvious? :P Noth by the time he got down the second time the dude would have so many adds stacked on him he'd be taking plenty. + the curse explosions are reasonably large.

I'm kind of curious if Patchwerk still does his hateful strikes without a second target.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by SalaciousTunare

I'm kind of curious if Patchwerk still does his hateful strikes without a second target.

He does, I tanked him for about 30secs with no other melee in range it was fun. Then I ran out of cooldowns and died ^^.

[Nehrak]

Originally Posted by Ionsniper

Its largely due to the lack of disenchant able greens once you hit 80 and run out of quests. Theyve made dust and GCE's so rare now that theyve become the defining factor in the prices of enchants.

All they need to do to fix it is an ability to prospect dream shards for dust and essences. So many blues from instances get DE'd so the market is flooded with dream shards.

Either this or make almost every item DE into dust and you prospect that into shards/essences/whateverfloatsyourboat. It's not like Jewelcrafting is hurting in this regard, but then again they do have a more easily obtainable resource (Ore) than Enchanters do... hum.

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Nehrak

It's not like Jewelcrafting is hurting in this regard, but then again they do have a more easily obtainable resource (Ore) than Enchanters do... hum.

That's because a single prospect of 5 ore could net you 2-3 gems, with 1 gem needed per cut recipe.

Some of the current skill up enchanting recipes (i stopped at 423 and started selling mats to make money, ill finish skilling after 3.0.8) could require 10+ disenchants for a single enchant. And thats if your lucky on DE's. I've DE'ed 30+ Stoneguard Rings in a single sitting and only got 4 essences for it. Thats not even enough for 1 orange skill enchant.

The big problem is how fast progression has been. When TBC came out even if you got right to 70 you had to spend a week or two in non-heroics grinding rep to unlock heroics. Not to mention getting some non-heroic gear so you'd be capable of doing heroics.

That's a lot of missed out runs providing DE greens.

[Torrid]

Originally Posted by Xequecal

Does anyone else think enchant prices are becoming retarded? The prices of all enchanting mats except Dream Shards are going UP, not down. Abyss Crystals are 250g and GCEs are 40g on my server, which means a Fury Warrior who wants 2x Berserking is spending 6000 gold just on his weapon enchants. This is going to get even worse when 3.0.8 is released, as both new recipies cost 5 Abyss Crystals to purchase, sucking even more of the supply out.

Damn. I WISH prices were that ridiculous on my server. I make my money from buying mats for green crafted junk, crafting, disenchanting, then selling dust and enchantment scrolls. You make me wish I had bought all those 100g abyss crystals I saw last night

Prices have been declining on my server. GCEs down to 26g; dust dipping below 5g. Hopefully just temporarily Just keep in mind that enchanting mats/scrolls do not have a deposit, so enchanters can put up shit for ridiculous prices and not care. Thats why you'll see some crazily priced auctions.

Shit, at 40g a greater cosmic, if you have mining, smithing, and enchanting characters, it would probably be worth the time to farm and sell them yourself. Just visit wowhead, search for cobalt node, examine the zul'drak map and figure out a flight path, then farm cobalt and craft Notched Cobalt War Axes for 10 cobalt a piece. Each disenchant has an 80% chance of either one or two GCEs, so on average you'll get one GCE and change from 10 cobalt. Or just buy it like I do. Costs 2g per cobalt on my server.

[Quineloe]

Jewcrafting is so amazingly good compared to every other tradeskill I've ever done. Sometimes you skill up for almost nothing, very few high cost parts and you get these amazingly sexy 27 str gems for it which are almost trivial to obtain compared to the shit other crafters have to go through to get their unique advantages.

[Vinen]

Originally Posted by SalaciousTunare

I'm kind of curious if Patchwerk still does his hateful strikes without a second target.

Yes.

Ive solo tanked him on normal. Just cant have melee.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

Jewcrafting is so amazingly good compared to every other tradeskill I've ever done. Sometimes you skill up for almost nothing, very few high cost parts and you get these amazingly sexy 27 str gems for it which are almost trivial to obtain compared to the shit other crafters have to go through to get their unique advantages.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if and what they do with JC in the content updates.

[James]

I'm holding out for the engineering update that might make it not suck so much dick.

[MrGraham]

I'd fucking love engineering if the pyro cannon and parachute cloak stacked with enchants. Make the parachute a neck enchant and the pyro cannon a ring enchant if thats not an option.