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[Chrisb3]

Originally Posted by Zeste

Here's my armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

What am I doing wrong here? I leveled to 80 and took every upgrade from quests and instances I ran into, and upped all my gems to +16 or +19 SP.

I thought I was doing decent.

That is bad PvE gear even at lv70, I wouldn't take you on a Kara run in that shit. Why on earth do you still have shitty S1 pvp epics equipped, and the fucking SMV hat!? Your telling me that NOTHING had higher spellpower? Even lv71 greens!?

When I was approaching 80 I had to think pretty damned hard about if the quest rewards were as good as T6, they had different but not better/worse stats for the most part.

This is an example of sloppy playing, taking the easiest quests availiable I assume. Each zone has a generous helping of blue rewards at the end of the big quest chains (everything in northrend is a big quest chain), so you skipped the "hard" quests and moved onto the next zone..?
You certaintly didn't level in instances and you didn't finish the quest chains so you must have wimped out on the epic quests.

For example did you even do Vengeance at the Wrathgate? The lv74 legs from that quest are a sidegrade even if you don't enchant them, and if you spend 50g they are an upgrade. That is just an example off the top of my head, another would be the back from the Icecrown new death knight order chain which beat my Nethervoid Cloak.

Spend an evening in Icecrown and Storm Peaks and that bad gear is gone, hell did you even get any rep anywhere!? All factions multiple lv78-80 blue items even at honoured, which you get easily from questing.



Btw nice writeup Runnen, but the ancient group of naaru who saved the draenai where in ogushugun not tempet keep... two different naaru groups. Also Velen is a priest, not a shaman. The broken turned to shamanism after the light "abandoned" them, as seen in TFT and taught it to the unbroken draenai.

[Erumaron]

I usually don't bother letting people know they suck while tanking and just won't group with them again. You can drag some scrubs through pretty much any Heroic at this point. I make comments when needed if it's really bad like, "Kill skull then X," but if the retard ret pally wants to stun skull before the pack of mobs reaches me I just adjust and remember that he's a retard.

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

That is bad PvE gear even at lv70, I wouldn't take you on a Kara run in that shit. Why on earth do you still have shitty S1 pvp epics equipped, and the fucking SMV hat!? Your telling me that NOTHING had higher spellpower? Even lv71 greens!?

When I was approaching 80 I had to think pretty damned hard about if the quest rewards were as good as T6, they had different but not better/worse stats for the most part.

This is an example of sloppy playing, taking the easiest quests availiable I assume. Each zone has a generous helping of blue rewards at the end of the big quest chains (everything in northrend is a big quest chain), so you skipped the "hard" quests and moved onto the next zone..?
You certaintly didn't level in instances and you didn't finish the quest chains so you must have wimped out on the epic quests.

For example did you even do Vengeance at the Wrathgate? The lv74 legs from that quest are a sidegrade even if you don't enchant them, and if you spend 50g they are an upgrade. That is just an example off the top of my head, another would be the back from the Icecrown new death knight order chain which beat my Nethervoid Cloak.

Spend an evening in Icecrown and Storm Peaks and that bad gear is gone, hell did you even get any rep anywhere!? All factions multiple lv78-80 blue items even at honoured, which you get easily from questing.



Btw nice writeup Runnen, but the ancient group of naaru who saved the draenai where in ogushugun not tempet keep... two different naaru groups. Also Velen is a priest, not a shaman. The broken turned to shamanism after the light "abandoned" them, as seen in TFT and taught it to the unbroken draenai.

While Chrisb3 can be a complete dick at times, he is completely accurate. If you did WotLK correctly (Fjord -> Borean [or vice versa] -> Grizzly Hills -> Zul'Drak -> Sholazar Basin -> Storm Peak -> Icecrown), you'd be high honored, if not revered with every rep for Northrend.

You basically screwed yourself, Zeste...I get the feeling you just dungeon crawled through most of your levels. :\

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Zeste

Here's my armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

What am I doing wrong here? I leveled to 80 and took every upgrade from quests and instances I ran into, and upped all my gems to +16 or +19 SP.

I thought I was doing decent.

Helm: just replace it, i dont know what with offhand, but that thing is shitty.
Shoulders: Duskweave Shoulders. The FSW set is beyond crap after they removed single school spell damage.
Legs: Black Duskweave Leggings
Back: Many choices far better then the kara back
Trinkets: Get rid of the mana regen one
Rings: Just get better ones, theres lot out there

GET RID OF PVP GEAR!

Originally Posted by Erumaron

I usually don't bother letting people know they suck while tanking and just won't group with them again.

Same, but a few days ago I was in this situation and I was a total dick about it. 63 Prot pally trying to the first fight with multple waves inside Azjul Nerub. Pally was dieing struggling to hold aggro, etc.

I inspect him and ALL his gear is plate with lots of spell power. No defense, just spell power.

I armory him and he has 384 defense... So I tell him to straight up GTFO and learn how to tank before he costs other people more repair bills. I was blunt, but it worked because he got insulted and quit the group. Got a competent warrior and it was easy street.

[Korioni]

Zeste, my gear's pretty shitty, but I figure once I upgrade trinkets(40 badges and some HoS runs) I'll be perfectly good to go for Naxx. But yeah, this is pretty much what you can get with heroics, quests and tailoring... possible reference to work off of:

The World of Warcraft Armory

Anywhere from 2100 to 2900 DPS on long single target fights(FF spec is messy).

[Axire]

Originally Posted by Zeste

Here's my armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

What am I doing wrong here? I leveled to 80 and took every upgrade from quests and instances I ran into, and upped all my gems to +16 or +19 SP.

I thought I was doing decent.

I cry for your armory.

[Barellron]

Originally Posted by Kuriin

While Chrisb3 can be a complete dick at times, he is completely accurate. If you did WotLK correctly (Fjord -> Borean [or vice versa] -> Grizzly Hills -> Zul'Drak -> Sholazar Basin -> Storm Peak -> Icecrown), you'd be high honored, if not revered with every rep for Northrend.

You basically screwed yourself, Zeste...I get the feeling you just dungeon crawled through most of your levels. :\

Fjord, Tundra, Grizzly Hills, and Sholazar are rep dead-zones. I didn't touch Tundra or Grizzly Hills until 80 except to do pre-quests for Nexus and Drak'tharon Keep. Sholazar I didn't even so much as fly over. Fjord (or Borean) -> Dragonblight -> Zul'drak -> Icecrown -> little bit of Storm Peaks should get you to 80 and geared in full blues if you didn't skip group (read: often solo) quests and did each instance once. You'll also be at least revered with the Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade, a good ways into Wyrmrest rep, and on the path to shoulder enchants from Sons of Hodir.

Zeste I would go back and finish those quest lines you missed. Icecrown is especially important as you won't even have access to the Ebon Blade Quartermaster if you don't do those quests at the Shadow Vault. The long Argent Crusade questline rewards a ring for solo effort.

[Grumpy Old Fart]

Originally Posted by Kuriin

While Chrisb3 can be a complete dick at times, he is completely accurate. If you did WotLK correctly (Fjord -> Borean [or vice versa] -> Grizzly Hills -> Zul'Drak -> Sholazar Basin -> Storm Peak -> Icecrown), you'd be high honored, if not revered with every rep for Northrend.

You basically screwed yourself, Zeste...I get the feeling you just dungeon crawled through most of your levels. :\

I pretty much did the same. Leveling from 72-80 as Resto druid, I found myself unable to resist the mass pleadings for healers on LFG, so I did most of it in the dungeons. Now, I got all nice blues (pretty much 100% of the Resto leather that exists in the 71-80 instances), but my reputations are pretty crappy. The reputation "grinds" aren't seeming so bad now, however, and it at least gives you a sense of advancing your character while waiting for somebody with an IQ over 90 to be looking for a healer for the 80 instances.

[Zeste]

I did Borean Tundra, Dragonblight, Grizzly Hills, half of ZulDrak, Storm Peaks, and Icecrown. I did almost everything in Icecrown.

I didn't level in instances at all. I just focused on leveling as much as I could alone, so I didnt finish alot of the group quests since my friends were at 80 and I just wanted to him 80, since I can go back and do alot of them now.

For the shitty gear.. I dunno. The SMV helm has 114 Spellpower (35+19+19+19+23), I know its other stats suck, but I figured the spellpower was most important. Same with the Frozen Shadowweave shoulders... they are old, yeah. But 41 spellpower plus 16+16 is 73, and I never saw any new shoulders that had 73 spellpower.

I just kept adding +16 and +19 gems to socketed level 70 items, and they'd have more spellpower than new green WOTLK gear.

Alot of the pvp gear just had more spellpower than the quest rewards, or more sp and more int. My neck, chest, wrists, both rings, both trinkets, and weapon are all wotlk stuff. And I just got some purple bracers from an VH heroic.


But I totally see most of your guys' point. Maybe I did skip over some stuff, I'll go back and see what I missed. And I don't really have any duneon loot since I figured I'd run the 5mans at 80 and just not bother with stuff before that.

I haven't been on a raid in probably 1.5 years, and even then just Kara. The guild I am in is just a few RL friends, so we're content right now just doing dungeons and a few heroics.

I will definitley recheck the zones and do all those group quests I abandonded.


edit: also, I have no fucking clue about reputations or what they earn or any of that shit. Where's a good place to start to look at what I might be able to get? I did all the quests out of shadow vault and basically everything in Icecrown.

[Zippygoose]

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[Kuriin]

I was able to solo pretty much 98% of the group quests; I think I only encountered 2 or 3 mobs TOTAL where I had to group with people. But, I am also surprised you did all those zones yet your rep is still crap.

Yes -- the rep grind is a bit easier now than previously due to the tabard. The only real rep grind you have to do is Sons of Hodir.

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Zeste

I did Borean Tundra, Dragonblight, Grizzly Hills, half of ZulDrak, Storm Peaks, and Icecrown. I did almost everything in Icecrown.

I didn't level in instances at all. I just focused on leveling as much as I could alone, so I didnt finish alot of the group quests since my friends were at 80 and I just wanted to him 80, since I can go back and do alot of them now.

Your achievements link say your missing quest completions for Boren Tundra, Howling Fjord, Dragonblight, Zul'Drak, Sholazar Basin, Storm Peaks, and Icecrown.

Most of those don't require the group quests to reach the required limit so your flat out missing a ton of quests across many zones.

[Believe]

TheCutlery may be a douchebag but I can certainly agree with his sentiment.

Since making a DK my main (used to be Enhancement Shaman) my wife (Priest) and I don't really put up with dumbass DPS anymore, because they can be replaced in no time. We don't really scrutinize over DPS a ton (yet), but it's sad that I still out DPS most everyone while I tank (although admittedly the quality of the people we end up grouping with via the LFG tool are pretty low).

[Flinch]

Originally Posted by Runnen

You really should consider playing World of Warcraft some time, maybe you'd understand it a bit more if you spent more time reading it and less time whining about it.

Trying to understand the storyline, from beginning to end, makes my head hurt. The Warcraft universe has been one long series of retcons and headscratchers. That said, I don't really care, as they make fun 'current' storylines...I don't tend to get my panties in a knot with inconsistencies. I just enjoy whatever is presently going on and roll with it.

[Quineloe]

What amazes me about Zestes armory is that he has NINE northrend dungeon bosses killed, yet somehow he managed to completly avoid any blue upgrade whatsoever from these dungeons.