[WoW]WotLK

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Man the game gets a lot more fun once you get more comfortable with what you're doing. My healer and I have taken the stance that we can fucking duo anything, DPS just makes shit die faster (sometimes). We're complete fucking dicks to people now. When we tell people to do shit and they don't, they get to run back. If they stand around waiting for a heal after a death instead of eating, we get them killed again, and they get to run back. If people aren't outdamaging me and die, we tell em that it's not changing their DPS much, and they get to run back.

It's fucking awesome once you point out that there's 100 dps willing to take their spot and not be complete dumbasses and they have no choice but to shape up or get out. When they realize they have no power over you or your success, it's a fantastic thing. I only wish I could see the look on their faces.

I bet the look on your face as you're doing all this is much, much, more entertaining . . .

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by Vardisk

10k pyros are soooo gimp.

Took the words out of my mouth.

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Araxen

spell hit > spell power > crit > haste

Damn you. :P I haven't played a mage in a long time -- I knew about the hit and spell power (duh), but I figured haste was good for frostfire.

Wow those are some awesome stats Zeste! Tell us more! Did you avoid all the quests and instances?

Except a lot of the quest rewards aren't good at all.

[Scorp]

Man the game gets a lot more fun once you get more comfortable with what you're doing. My healer and I have taken the stance that we can fucking duo anything, DPS just makes shit die faster (sometimes). We're complete fucking dicks to people now. When we tell people to do shit and they don't, they get to run back. If they stand around waiting for a heal after a death instead of eating, we get them killed again, and they get to run back. If people aren't outdamaging me and die, we tell em that it's not changing their DPS much, and they get to run back.

It's fucking awesome once you point out that there's 100 dps willing to take their spot and not be complete dumbasses and they have no choice but to shape up or get out. When they realize they have no power over you or your success, it's a fantastic thing. I only wish I could see the look on their faces.

The problem with your wish is that if you could see their faces, you wouldn't act the same way. I guess if you can't be a badass IRL, might as well be one on WoW, lolmirite fellas?

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

Wow those are some awesome stats Zeste! Tell us more! Did you avoid all the quests and instances?

LOL Seriously. I had 1300+ as an spriest in pre-sunwell gear. Since then about 2/3's of my gear has been replaced by random 5man drops, or quest rewards. I'm only 77 and I'm sitting at just short of 1500sp and 15% crit.

Having stats like that doesn't even seem possible.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by brekk

LOL Seriously. I had 1300+ as an spriest in pre-sunwell gear. Since then about 2/3's of my gear has been replaced by random 5man drops, or quest rewards. I'm only 77 and I'm sitting at just short of 1500sp and 15% crit.

Having stats like that doesn't even seem possible.

Here's my armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

What am I doing wrong here? I leveled to 80 and took every upgrade from quests and instances I ran into, and upped all my gems to +16 or +19 SP.

I thought I was doing decent.

[Quineloe]

It's one thing to be a prick to people who are asking for it, it's something else to be a prick towards someone who messed up once.
At least use the same standards you'd use with your guildmates - but then again, there's people who treat their members just like that

[NargorothRiP]

TheCutlery's post is pure fucking comedy. I mean how fucking lame are you to be an e'thug over WoW? At least in EQ that shit made some sort of sense, but give me a fucking break WoW isn't even something to act hard about even when your the best of the best.

Faggot.

[Scorp]

Originally Posted by NargorothRiP

TheCutlery's post is pure fucking comedy. I mean how fucking lame are you to be an e'thug over WoW? At least in EQ that shit made some sort of sense, but give me a fucking break WoW isn't even something to act hard about even when your the best of the best.

Faggot.

He probably missed the EQ ship and is trying to make up for lost ground in the e-thug category.

[Jabberwhacky]

TheCutlery's attitude is rather e-thuggish, but making shitty players know that they are shitty players is not e-thugging at all. As a DK tank I do the exact same thing: gather a list of healers I know are good, and then when my DPS friends are busy and I have to resort to randoms, I judge the shit out of them. I think I said it in this very thread just a few pages back, but the fact of the matter is if we all (tank, healer, other DPS) played as shitty as a 900-1200 DPS guy, WE COULDN'T DO THE INSTANCE. So why let that one guy get by? The only reason is if he was irreplaceable, and as we all know, DPS are completely and utterly replaceable.

I'd do / I do do the same shit in real life, I just use more tact. Instead of saying "Seriously, your one job is DPS, if you can't DPS, you're going to be booted" I'd say "Hey friend, maybe we can share a moment and discuss your recent performance. It seems to be rather, well, 'not so good' tee hee, so let's talk about it over a nice cup of Earl Grey." Plus I don't seem to get off to pointing it out like TheCutlery, but the underlying idea is still sound.

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Zeste

Here's my armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

What am I doing wrong here? I leveled to 80 and took every upgrade from quests and instances I ran into, and upped all my gems to +16 or +19 SP.

I thought I was doing decent.

You're using a lot of pvp gear that wasn't even good at lvl 70.

There's your reason.

[JerleMinara]

Originally Posted by Zeste

I leveled to 80 and took every upgrade from quests and instances I ran into, and upped all my gems to +16 or +19 SP.

Pretty sure you didn't, since you're wearing shitty level 70 gear.

[Scorp]

Originally Posted by Jabberwhacky

TheCutlery's attitude is rather e-thuggish, but making shitty players know that they are shitty players is not e-thugging at all. As a DK tank I do the exact same thing: gather a list of healers I know are good, and then when my DPS friends are busy and I have to resort to randoms, I judge the shit out of them. I think I said it in this very thread just a few pages back, but the fact of the matter is if we all (tank, healer, other DPS) played as shitty as a 900-1200 DPS guy, WE COULDN'T DO THE INSTANCE. So why let that one guy get by? The only reason is if he was irreplaceable, and as we all know, DPS are completely and utterly replaceable.

I'd do / I do do the same shit in real life, I just use more tact. Instead of saying "Seriously, your one job is DPS, if you can't DPS, you're going to be booted" I'd say "Hey friend, maybe we can share a moment and discuss your recent performance. It seems to be rather, well, 'not so good' tee hee, so let's talk about it over a nice cup of Earl Grey." Plus I don't seem to get off to pointing it out like TheCutlery, but the underlying idea is still sound.

I couldn't agree more. I'm a DK tank as well so I can easily get groups when I want them, and I always remind shitty players that they're shitty, unless of course they're willing to take advice and adjust themselves. I just don't go around with the super e-cool guy attitude.

[Kuriin]

See, Zeste, the problem is, you compared your gear (Karazhan level) to someone with incomparable gear (Sunwell level). Bad, bad.

If you took quest rewards (which should've been plenty with the gear you have), you would have about ~1300-1500 SP.

[Runnen]

Originally Posted by Dumar

the problem is they tried to do too many things with the story and game, and if you really look at it (and read it), it just turns into almost incomprehensible mush. it may make some sort of sense to a mental patient, but it's really not good lore or storytelling.

Ok Dumar, here's a step by step reply to your own little lore..

wc2 was a war, full of the cool lore and fantasy things you'd expect.
wc3 sorta turned it happy kiddie time a little, current wow is just blown to bits. the orcs, humans were fighting each other, thrall came, turns out demons did it to them

Ever since Warcraft I, Demons were seen alongside the Horde. In Warcraft III, you learn the whole backstory behind the Orcs' Blood Lust caused by Mannoroth, and you put an end to it thanks to Grom Hellscream. This is mentionned several times in WoW.

"unstable peace" (yet we fight in battlegrounds)

Remember the first words in the World of Warcraft cinematic? "Fours years have passed since the mortal races banded together, and fought united against the might of the Burning Legion. Though Azeroth was saved, the tenuous pact between the Horde and the Alliance has all but evaporated". Hello? In case you didn't realize it, during the Battle of Mount Hyjal, the Horde and Alliance had no choice but to fight together against Archimonde, it doesn't mean the Alliance forgot the destruction of Stormwind, or that the Orcs forgot about years of imprisonment and sometimes torture in work camps.

Besides, as far as battlegrounds go, there are always good explainations behind them. Alterac Valley is because the Stormpike Dwarves are trying to conquer more lands for the Alliance, but the Frostwolf Orcs have been living in the Alterac Mountains for years, for instance.

tbc nobody knows what's going on, kael'thas's flying castle and illidan shows up in an alliance with vashj (??), blood elves join the horde (??), paladins go horde (??), shaman turn alliance (??), draenei (who were evil before??) join alliance, sargeras was corrupted by demons, but then turns out he was the evil one (??)

You are probably the only person who doesn't know what's going on in Burning Crusade. So let's see point by point :

"Kael'thas Flying Castle" : it's been said time and time again that the Naaru are extremely advanced, the Tempest Keep was their dimensional crystal ship. They used it to rescue the Draenei led by Velen who wanted to leave Argus and the evil Eredar behind. Once they took the Draenei to the newly-renamed Draenor, they stayed in orbit. Many years later, the mostly empty Tempest Keep was hijacked by Kael'thas' followers, officially to further empower Illidan's influence over Outland, but in secret Kael'thas was gathering nether energies for Kil'Jaeden (as shown in the cinematic "Fury of the Sunwell"

"Blood Elves join the Horde. Paladins go Horde. Shamans go Alliance"

The Blood Elves joined the Horde because they felt betrayed by the Alliance, who left them to die in Quel'Thalas when the undead Scourge came. Many High Elves did not consider it betrayal (and are now living in the various lodges around Azeroth), but some decided to follow Prince Kael'thas and became extremists.

Paladins are knights who use the powers of The Light (that we now know is provided by the Naaru). The Blood Elves did not become "paladins" really, they became Blood Knights. They captured Mu'ru, the Naaru aboard the Tempest Keep, and drained his powers to bend the Light to their will. In truth, Mu'ru was prepared to be captured and was actually sent by A'dal to attempt to redeem the Blood Elves. However, Mu'ru's mission was cut short when he was abudcted from Silvermoon City by Kael'thas' followers and taken to the Sunwell Plateau where he died to become a Void God, Entropius.

Velen, the leader of the Draenei, was one of the first Shamans. On Argus, his followers decided not to join the Burning Legion when Sargeras came, and so they fled to Draenor. There, they mey the peaceful but primitive Orcs to whom they taught Shamanism. Years later, Mannoroth corrupted the Orcs who decimated countless Draenei (as seen in the Black Temple cinematic). The Draenei actually turned to Shamanism mostly because they realized that Arcane Magic was a lure for the Burning Legion.

"Sargeras was corrupted by demons but turns out he was the evil one".

This was indeed a retcon, albeit a minor one. In the original story (from years ago), Sargeras was a noble Titan champion who roamed the Great Dark to set things right and bring order where there was only chaos. Over time, he began to fall into depression and eventually madness after witnessing the unspeakable crimes of demonic creatures. Originally, those creatures were Eredar and Nathrezim. In the retconned story, the Nathrezim alone corrupted Sargeras, and he founded the Burning Legion with them, before moving onto Argus where he met the Eredar who were the most promising species he had encountered. The Eredar quickly fell prey to his promises of power, and they all turned to the Legion except for Velen and his followers who went into exile with the Naaru.

wotlk orcs and humans are fighting again (finally?), arthas undead army isn't really an army, it's one zone, basin in the middle of arctic that titans made (complete with lions, rhinos, and giraffes), a forest full of bears, trolls, humans hunting game (wtf?), dalaran decided to move to northrend (??), and to top it all off, there really isn't much ice or snow anywhere.it's a mess of a million different angles coming together that makes no sense. but hey, the purples are flowing, right?

The Orcs and Humans (or rather the Horde and the Alliance) never stopped fighting, it was just confined to specific parts of the world (Alterac Valley, Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin, Eastern Plaguelands, Silithus..).

Arthas' armies are vast and can be seen all over the continent :

- Borean Tundra has a whole area covered with Plague Sprayers commanded by Kel'Thuzad himself. It also has a whole Scourge city complete with floating Necropolis, and another crashed Necropolis north of that.

- Howling Fjord has Vrykul who have allied themselves with the Lich King, along with Scourge gargoyles attacking the Explorer's League settlements, and the large undead Vrykul camp up north where Necromancers are raising undead monstrosities, including frostwyrms.

- Grizzly Hills has Arugal leading a new wave of Worgen who have begun to infiltrate various camps of the Alliance and the Horde. Arugal was resurrected by the Lich King's minions.

- Dragonblight has Naxxramas floating over an Alliance keep, with undead minions pouring all over the place. Also there is a huge quarry where undead giants are uncovering the bones of the Dragon Progenitor. There are also undead wyrms hovering above the Ruby Dragonshrine, undead Nerubians crawling up from Azjol-Nerub, and the Wrath Gate up north.

- Sholazar Basin is mostly spared of undead presence thanks to the pillars erected by the Titans millenia ago. Since the pillars only stop undead, the Lich King managed to have some living cultists infiltrate the area and blow up one of the pillars, allowing undead to pour in from nearby Icecrown.

- Zul'Drak is invaded by Scourge, with two Necropoli, a flesh titan (Thrym) patroling the area, and many undead Trolls roaming the area under the command of Drakuru, who was raised as a Death Knight by the Lich King.

- Storm Peaks is devoid of undead, thanks to the Titan buildings and the proximity of Ulduar. It was explained previously that the pillars of Un'Goro prevent invasions by the Silithids and Qiraji, so it is safe to assume that the magic that animates the undead minions of the Lich King is also cancelled by the pillars and Titan buildings.

- Icecrown itself is packed with undead, from mere skeletons to gargoyles, liches, giants, towering skeletal monsters, frost wyrms, ghouls, abominations, undead vrykul, plagued proto-drakes, and so on..

Dalaran moved to Northrend(??)

Dalaran was translocated to Northrend because the Blue Dragonflight under the rule of Malygos started a war against all mortal races, due to the reckless use of magic that will inevitably draw the attention of the Burning Legion back to Azeroth. Malygos was severely traumatized by the last invasion of the Burning Legion, mostly because an Old God used that opportunity to corrupt Nelthalion (soon to be Deathwing) who wiped out most of Malygos' Flight. To defend their right to use magic and to protect the mortal races, the Magocracy of Dalaran decided to move the fight to Northrend to spare the Eastern Kingdoms. This is also why Dalaran is a "no-fly zone", because powerful spells are in place to prevent the Blue Dragons from flying over the city. That is why the Blue had to infiltrate Dalaran by teleporting into the Violet Hold (Cyanigosa)

You really should consider playing World of Warcraft some time, maybe you'd understand it a bit more if you spent more time reading it and less time whining about it.