Playing US servers with a European WotLK Copy?

[Brikker]

A simple question: Were one to buy a copy of WotLK in Europe (London, in this case), could they play on US servers with said copy?

I ask because the copies I've found in London/online all say "European use only" or some shit like that. Do I need to get a copy mailed from the US?

[Chrisb3]

I would like to know the opposite for a guildie of mine who is Canadian.
How can you get a European WotLK in North America?

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Brikker

A simple question: Were one to buy a copy of WotLK in Europe (London, in this case), could they play on US servers with said copy?

I ask because the copies I've found in London/online all say "European use only" or some shit like that. Do I need to get a copy mailed from the US?

Yes, just like original wow, and BC, and most mmos since EQ1. You'll need a US wotlk code to go with your us wow account, else it simply won't work.

Edit: You can get codes online from various gold selling websites and shit like that. That's imo the cheapest/fastest way to get keys, even though they might be overloaded on wotlk release day.

[Bobleclair]

Originally Posted by Pyros

Yes, just like original wow, and BC, and most mmos since EQ1. You'll need a US wotlk code to go with your us wow account, else it simply won't work.

Since WoW, Blizzard was the first big mmorpg company to force localized client/server on their player, wich is the main reason why i didn't play more than a week. If companies stopped copying that crap it will be really nice, tired of having friends buy the boxs for me then downloading slow ass torrents to play with the majority of my friends and losing peoples every time, internationals servers ftw ala eq1 plz. I think only SoE is not forcing localization on any of their game now.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Bobleclair

Since WoW, Blizzard was the first big mmorpg company to force localized client/server on their player, wich is the main reason why i didn't play more than a week. If companies stopped copying that crap it will be really nice, tired of having friends buy the boxs for me then downloading slow ass torrents to play with the majority of my friends and losing peoples every time, internationals servers ftw ala eq1 plz. I think only SoE is not forcing localization on any of their game now.

In fact, DAoC had localized server/support before wow. While I liked international servers, lag was always an issue. I'd rather have them make euro servers instead of uk/fr/german/italian/spanish/russian servers however.

[Chrisb3]

Originally Posted by Pyros

In fact, DAoC had localized server/support before wow. While I liked international servers, lag was always an issue. I'd rather have them make euro servers instead of uk/fr/german/italian/spanish/russian servers however.

No thank you. English servers have the best of both worlds at the moment.

1. Everyone speaks English.
2. Not everyone is English.

I do not want the French anywhere near my servers speaking their inferior language (unless they are fixing them), French people are very proud of their language and would fuck up the game with it.

[Bobleclair]

I got 200/300ping playing from france to an US server, don't really see any issue with lag.
Chrisb3 is the type of retard that makes me avoid europeans only servers like the plague.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Bobleclair

I got 200/300ping playing from france to an US server, don't really see any issue with lag.
Chrisb3 is the type of retard that makes me avoid europeans only servers like the plague.

The ping isn't huge, but it's a handicap nonetheless. Back when I was MT in AQ40/naxx days, I was playing on a US server, and it did make quite a difference. It's a very small delay, but the more sensitive your role is in a raid, the more you feel it, and tanking is pretty much the most sensitive. If you DPS it doesn't make much of a difference. The other issue is time zones, while I didn't mind playing from 1AM to 6AM back then, it's more annoying nowadays. It's nice for people with weird schedules though, especially since you can also play on oceanic server for yet another totally different timezone.

[Bobleclair]

Well i am allways a MT in MMORPGs and other than back in EQ1 days where i was on dial up, i have not noticed any lag, having a really stable connection helps a lot too. Some US friends got 300ping or close due to poor quality ISP. When you start reaching 400/500 ping it starts to be an issue.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

No thank you. English servers have the best of both worlds at the moment.

1. Everyone speaks English.
2. Not everyone is English.

I do not want the French anywhere near my servers speaking their inferior language (unless they are fixing them), French people are very proud of their language and would fuck up the game with it.

Plus most French players have the same sort of mentality as 13 year old AOL users, for some reason.

[Bobleclair]

So far UK players are showing a nice mentality in this thread... .

[Obtenor]

bonjour.

vous êtes tous fuckers.

[Chrisb3]

Ok ignore the minor trolling part Although I do think several aspects of french are quite flawed (male/female words!? no word for 80 and 90!?).

My point still stands though, how is a european server going to be better than an english one?

Everyone in northern europe speaks and types great english, at least in my experience of 4 years on these servers and visiting holland.
French people however are notorius for only speaking french even if they can speak the other languages (especially if it is english).

How is having several languages active going to help anyone? It'll make the entire game a communication nightmare.

So you have french/german/spanish friends that you want to play with? Well there is nothing stopping them or you playing on different servers. As I said in post #2 of this thread, I have a canadian in my guild because of previous games.

[DMyst]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Plus most French players have the same sort of mentality as 13 year old AOL users, for some reason.

Look! I'm giving a cigarette to a baby. Do it! Suck on this cigarette my darling life is shit.

[Pyros]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

How is having several languages active going to help anyone? It'll make the entire game a communication nightmare.

So you have french/german/spanish friends that you want to play with? Well there is nothing stopping them or you playing on different servers. As I said in post #2 of this thread, I have a canadian in my guild because of previous games.

I'm not saying they should make them now like this, it's probably too late. But french people, and german people, used to play on international servers just fine predaoc/wow. Yes they'd often create their own community, but you can't tell me with a straight face that everyone doesn't do that, with probably the exception of the english. There's swedish and danish guilds, even though they speak english very well, on wow UK servers.

The issue is, at some point, they decided to make a rift between the languages, and now it's probably not possible to go back because french players are used to their french client shit and grouping with only other frenchies, and germans are the same. It was very obvious in wotlk beta vs original wow beta. In wotlk we only had one euro server, and half the general chat spam was french/germans speaking in their own languages and english/swedes/danes telling them to fuck off.

In vanilla wow beta, I found quite a few french or danish people, but they all talked english and everything was fine. It was fine back on UO and back on AC when everyone was playing together.

I do believe however the democratisation of mmos has bring a whole new mass of retards who can't even speak their own language correctly, let alone another. However, it's a sad thing because mmos(and video games in general) were a good way for the frenchies(and I guess germans) to learn english, because they spend a lot of time on them so it directly impregnates, contrary to school which sucks and kids hate. I learned english through video games, and while it's definitely not perfect, it's decent enough. I learned playing Diablo on battlenet, UO on chesapeake(and later europa which was still an english speaking server), AC on Darktide, and all the tons of JRPGs on snes that we were lucky to get imported from the US. The same way I learned most of my japanese through animes, video games and movies(but movies really taught me more about yakuza accent than anything else ^^).

It's a loss imo, but well, as I said earlier, it'd help if the new generation could actually write french correctly before trying to learn english. Sometimes I read some french boards, and it's insane the amount of idiots who can only speak in SMS language, making words up out of 2 or more words and writing them phonetically.

I just think it would have been better to keep the euro communities together, even though they probably would have made little communities out of themselves, it would have been better for everyone that way. Just what I think.

The US/Euro rift however is mostly a latency issue, and probably billing/currency changes issue. I doubt this one will change anytime soon, but on games which can't have both support. It's not a big issue, you can find cd keys easily on internet nowadays, which wasn't the case back in UO/AC days, where you had to find an imported box in one of the few obscure video games shops that sold mmos, or order it and get the shitty shipping costs+taxes.