[Vanguard] New group content, raid mobs - Page 56

Hatorade · 08-12-2009, 03:24 PM

Starting new again I would def go with Bard, saves cash on mounts and all that. As far as Duo, bard/disc or Bard/Shaman I think is better then bard/cleric but cleric works just fine.

LexarkT11 · 08-12-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatorade

Starting new again I would def go with Bard, saves cash on mounts and all that. As far as Duo, bard/disc or Bard/Shaman I think is better then bard/cleric but cleric works just fine.

Why do you suggest those other healers?

Hatorade · 08-12-2009, 03:37 PM

Shaman can tank and much more utility like water breathing and disc is just a blast to play.

Screamfeeder · 08-12-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LexarkT11

What would the best duo be right now?

1 Necro.

kasey · 08-12-2009, 11:35 PM

haha, i am still waiting (since beta) for Vangaurd to get some more raidcontent. But i will not give up! This could turn it around for Vangaurd ><

yoshimura · 08-13-2009, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

1 Necro.

A Necro with a pimped out pet still solos stuff in the uber dungeons?

Screamfeeder · 08-13-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yoshimura

A Necro with a pimped out pet still solos stuff in the uber dungeons?

No idea. Last time I played I was able to pretty much quad pull 5 dots while watching a movie.

Pretty sure that has all changed. I just wanted to make a smart ass comment.

Spawn · 08-13-2009, 03:48 PM

To this day the Vanguard bard has to be the most "fun" class I have ever played. It was done right in so many ways.

I know it has been discussed 1000 times, but some person needs to port the bard (including the composing interface!), blood mage, and disciple to a new mmo. Those 3 classes were just badass.

Yes I know EQ had a bard before, but it was no where near as fun as the VG bard. Atleast in my opinion.

Fratley · 08-13-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spawn

To this day the Vanguard bard has to be the most "fun" class I have ever played. It was done right in so many ways.

I know it has been discussed 1000 times, but some person needs to port the bard (including the composing interface!), blood mage, and disciple to a new mmo. Those 3 classes were just badass.

Yes I know EQ had a bard before, but it was no where near as fun as the VG bard. Atleast in my opinion.

I agree, best class to date in any mmo. Unfortunately, I emo'd and quit VG after the Bard Best of the Best, since they patched the day before and introduced a bug causing all my macros to bug out randomly. So I got through the first 3 or 4 round without even taking damage only to lose the final round with just a sliver of opponent health left having not use anything besides shoot bow due to frickin' bugs. Oh well, still World Firsted pretty much everything in the game that matters with Pain.

Nairbog · 08-13-2009, 04:43 PM

I never played a bard past level 5 or so, but my main was a disciple. I loved the class and it was an absolute blast to level up, it's too bad Vanguard had no end game. For all the hate VG receives here, I had more fun leveling my disciple than any of the time I've spent with EQ2 or WoW. It's too bad it got released prematurely, you could tell the team was hitting their stride the last few months before release. With another year of development, it would have been a solid game. Oh well.

Sheridan · 08-13-2009, 05:06 PM

I just looked up the stats of a bunch of Vanguard items. It looks like they made the same itemization mistakes of EverQuest, in that every single item adds + stats, + hps, + mana, + resists, + proc/effect/clicky, etc. Don't they realize giving every item in the game blanket stat increases worsens character diversity/specialization ? Classic EQ - Velious was awesome,

MEANINGFUL:
Cloak of Flames Item Glossary
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: BACK
AC: 10
DEX: +9 AGI: +9 HP: +50
SV FIRE: +15
Haste: +36%
WT: 0.1 Size: MEDIUM
Class: ALL
Race: ALL

MEANINGLESS:
Fabled Cloak of Flames Item Glossary
MAGIC ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: BACK
AC: 20
DEX: +25 STA: +15 WIS: +15 INT: +15 AGI: +25 HP: +205 MANA: +185 ENDUR: +185
SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +15 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +15
Shielding: +3% Stun Resist: +5% HP Regen +5 Haste: +45%
Required level of 70.
WT: 0.1 Size: MEDIUM
Class: ALL
Race: ALL

Get the picture?

jayrebb · 08-13-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

I just looked up the stats of a bunch of Vanguard items.

I know its been like over 1 year since Vanguard itemization was smashed and bashed, but you couldn't have forgotten or missed it. There had to have been a few hundred posts on it, and that was during release and following release for the next year all the way to APW.

A lot of things are wrong with Vanguard, but all the in-depth posts have already been made. You can save yourself a lot of time and energy by just posing "VG itemization sucked". Nobody will fault you for it.

And yea, they got the picture.

Jaded · 08-13-2009, 05:24 PM

I agree with the point you're trying to make, but that's pretty much every MMO these days. Mudflation runs rampant as a result of welfare epics and easily-obtained loot. Not just in WoW.

As for classes, everyone harps on bards, BMs and disciples but really every class in Vanguard was just really well done. With the possible exceptions of Warriors and Rogues they were all fun to play, had nice skillsets, etc. That's what sucks most about the game failing.

CylusSoulreaver · 08-13-2009, 05:33 PM

VG itemization sucked.

Edit: and no, I'm not being a smartass to deflect. It really did.

Arrr · 08-13-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CylusSoulreaver

VG itemization sucked.

Edit: and no, I'm not being a smartass to deflect. It really did.

I'm willing to bet it's worse now. The current team has absolutely no idea what to give players when they're TRYING to reward them.

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Hatorade Cause it's better than water Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,216 +79 Internets	Starting new again I would def go with Bard, saves cash on mounts and all that. As far as Duo, bard/disc or Bard/Shaman I think is better then bard/cleric but cleric works just fine. __________________ Wii Friend Code 1729 2890 3780 7210 AION group

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Hatorade Cause it's better than water Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,216 +79 Internets	Shaman can tank and much more utility like water breathing and disc is just a blast to play. __________________ Wii Friend Code 1729 2890 3780 7210 AION group

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kasey Internet to post ratio soon 1:1 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere close.... -1547 Internets Posts: 1,834	haha, i am still waiting (since beta) for Vangaurd to get some more raidcontent. But i will not give up! This could turn it around for Vangaurd >< __________________ ,,I,, >< ,,I,,

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Nairbog Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 349 -3 Internets	I never played a bard past level 5 or so, but my main was a disciple. I loved the class and it was an absolute blast to level up, it's too bad Vanguard had no end game. For all the hate VG receives here, I had more fun leveling my disciple than any of the time I've spent with EQ2 or WoW. It's too bad it got released prematurely, you could tell the team was hitting their stride the last few months before release. With another year of development, it would have been a solid game. Oh well. __________________ MMORPG's are the opiate of the masochists.

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08-13-2009, 03:48 PM	#833 (permalink)
Spawn . Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 285 +2 Internets	To this day the Vanguard bard has to be the most "fun" class I have ever played. It was done right in so many ways. I know it has been discussed 1000 times, but some person needs to port the bard (including the composing interface!), blood mage, and disciple to a new mmo. Those 3 classes were just badass. Yes I know EQ had a bard before, but it was no where near as fun as the VG bard. Atleast in my opinion.

08-13-2009, 05:06 PM	#836 (permalink)
Sheridan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: mehico Posts: 15 -3 Internets	I just looked up the stats of a bunch of Vanguard items. It looks like they made the same itemization mistakes of EverQuest, in that every single item adds + stats, + hps, + mana, + resists, + proc/effect/clicky, etc. Don't they realize giving every item in the game blanket stat increases worsens character diversity/specialization ? Classic EQ - Velious was awesome, MEANINGFUL: Cloak of Flames Item Glossary MAGIC ITEM Slot: BACK AC: 10 DEX: +9 AGI: +9 HP: +50 SV FIRE: +15 Haste: +36% WT: 0.1 Size: MEDIUM Class: ALL Race: ALL MEANINGLESS: Fabled Cloak of Flames Item Glossary MAGIC ITEM NO TRADE Slot: BACK AC: 20 DEX: +25 STA: +15 WIS: +15 INT: +15 AGI: +25 HP: +205 MANA: +185 ENDUR: +185 SV FIRE: +25 SV DISEASE: +15 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +15 Shielding: +3% Stun Resist: +5% HP Regen +5 Haste: +45% Required level of 70. WT: 0.1 Size: MEDIUM Class: ALL Race: ALL Get the picture?

08-13-2009, 05:24 PM	#838 (permalink)
Jaded Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 530	I agree with the point you're trying to make, but that's pretty much every MMO these days. Mudflation runs rampant as a result of welfare epics and easily-obtained loot. Not just in WoW. As for classes, everyone harps on bards, BMs and disciples but really every class in Vanguard was just really well done. With the possible exceptions of Warriors and Rogues they were all fun to play, had nice skillsets, etc. That's what sucks most about the game failing.

08-13-2009, 05:33 PM	#839 (permalink)
CylusSoulreaver Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Encinitas Posts: 399 -2 Internets	VG itemization sucked. Edit: and no, I'm not being a smartass to deflect. It really did.