[WoW] PVP and Arena Discussion (Arena Talk HERE ONLY)

[Mageling]

I've shelved my Shadow Priest for the time being. It'll likely be the last of my currently capped characters to make it's way to 80. Hell, I'll roll a DK as well if they don't improve Shadow.

[Balu1]

Couldn't help myself. An exceprt from the blizzcon q and a session.

4:28PM Q: "Concern about ret pallies doing burst damage." Applause. "However with that said I've raided as a ret paladin. Are you guys going to tone down burst damage in PvP for ret paladins and keep good damage in raids? We've been waiting for a long time to become raid viable and don't want to lose that." GC: "Lots of bugs in beta that made [ret paladins] do more DPS... we don't think [current damage] is way off, honestly." GC: "Don't nerf me bro!" (Tons of laughter). Chilton: "We've tried to take it away from the uncontrollable proc damage...we want them to feel strong...we want to put a kill in the hands of a player [,not luck]."

Back to shadow priests! I thought they were going to be decent...then they raped them in one patch, haven't been right since.

[Genjiro]

Ret will not last this way for pvp, keep hoping your little fotm class will stay that way because it wont.

[Fadaar]

Who cares about PvP, long as the PvE dps stays competitive with the top I really don't give two shits what they do for World of Arenabalance.

[Balu1]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Ret will not last this way for pvp, keep hoping your little fotm class will stay that way because it wont.

It makes you look better in a discussion if you use facts and make points (and counter points). Don't get all salty and argue like an emotional bitch.

Don't go out and re-roll a ret just yet! It sounds like a few minor tweaks will be made, like I had pointed out before. A month or so into the xpack gear will start catching up and the burst won't feel so bad. It may actually feel more balanced. I am fucking heart broken that you may have to deal with rets for a few months being a little strong. Clearly they've balanced it so well up until this point that something like that won't happen.

[possible]

Originally Posted by Balu1

It makes you look better in a discussion if you use facts and make points (and counter points). Don't get all salty and argue like an emotional bitch.

Don't go out and re-roll a ret just yet! It sounds like a few minor tweaks will be made, like I had pointed out before. A month or so into the xpack gear will start catching up and the burst won't feel so bad. It may actually feel more balanced. I am fucking heart broken that you may have to deal with rets for a few months being a little strong. Clearly they've balanced it so well up until this point that something like that won't happen.

This is because there aren't people in beta with full Deadly due to a bug and still being blown up by ret pallies, right?

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by Fadaar

Who cares about PvP, long as the PvE dps stays competitive with the top I really don't give two shits what they do for World of Arenabalance.

This..is the arena and pvp thread...you know that right?

[Balu1]

Originally Posted by possible

This is because there aren't people in beta with full Deadly due to a bug and still being blown up by ret pallies, right?

I'm sure blizzard never did any of their own in house testing with deadly gear.

Here's a cool concept. What if, even after some adjustments, rets are still strong in the end game pvp arena. Does this make other classes better fit for the metagame in end game 2's and 3's?

[possible]

Originally Posted by Balu1

I'm sure blizzard never did any of their own in house testing with deadly gear.

Here's a cool concept. What if, even after some adjustments, rets are still strong in the end game pvp arena. Does this make other classes better fit for the metagame in end game 2's and 3's?

What?

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Zerai

They'll be nerfed into uselessness. Don't you remember TBC?

Besides, if it's going to be anything, will be the era of DKs. Blizzard's baby better be #1. Not second to some 2 pump chump ret pal.

Right up until the point where shaman remember they have a "Cure Disease" totem.

[Flinch]

don't play WoW anymore, so i'm not in the loop, but did they release any information on Ring of Valor or Dalaran Sewers?

[syeren]

Glad to see Nihilum finally put the American Moron train over at GameRiot to rest, had enough of them yapping about how America are the best at the game for months, it's obvious enough we should be better from our PVE scene!

Anyone have any questions they want answering about anything they saw over weekend :P?

As for Blizzard in-house testing, it's quite clear they're horrible when it comes to PVP, so I don't really care for their opinions on anything in regards to Arena, after all this isn't a scripted fight we're supposed to win!

[Northerner]

Originally Posted by Balu1

If you don't have a ms debuff or a mana drain, you'll generally lose.

No, really? This is fucking news to any arena team past 1400 I am sure. (sarcasm emoticon for you dumb fucks)

Even a mythical 5-dps would be hard pressed to 'burst' anyone in S2 or better down without MS or control. Frankly, there have been enough games played to show that it just doesn't work. A 4d still can on rare occasions get it done I suppose but the reality is either you debuff healing or you CC it for long enough to get a kill. Mostly it is both.

Drain teams are a smart but unfortunate thing. I loved the mechanic myself simply because the frustration is written large and most of my PvP fun doesn't come from winning but rather from pissing off the other guy. Bad business though.

80 Arenas should be a complete clusterfuck ruled by FoTM hybrids but hey, that's nothing new.

[syeren]

Originally Posted by Northerner

No, really? This is fucking news to any arena team past 1400 I am sure. (sarcasm emoticon for you dumb fucks)

Even a mythical 5-dps would be hard pressed to 'burst' anyone in S2 or better down without MS or control. Frankly, there have been enough games played to show that it just doesn't work. A 4d still can on rare occasions get it done I suppose but the reality is either you debuff healing or you CC it for long enough to get a kill. Mostly it is both.

Drain teams are a smart but unfortunate thing. I loved the mechanic myself simply because the frustration is written large and most of my PvP fun doesn't come from winning but rather from pissing off the other guy. Bad business though.

80 Arenas should be a complete clusterfuck ruled by FoTM hybrids but hey, that's nothing new.

I don't mean to be rude, but have you ever heard of watched the JAC comp in play?

Admittedly the Rogue on the team uses Wound Poison, however the targets they kill will unlikely have 5/5 Wound Poison on them. They're absolutely retarded to say the least, and they ruin 5v5 even further :<

[Zest]

Yeah, the fact that JAC, Eurocomp, and to a lesser extent Cleave, all exist and have "ruined" the 5v5 bracket throws a spanner in the "Impossible to gib in S2+" thing.