[WoW] PVP and Arena Discussion (Arena Talk HERE ONLY) - Page 18

Lithose · 10-10-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Balu1

It's also way more resiliance and stamina. I can tell you first hand that from going 70 with s2 2 hander to 80 with a savage 2 hander, it's not a huge dps gain. Going from savage to deadly is going to be an even smaller increase.

Wow, ok, now I see why your point of view is so skewed, you're a baddie.

Zerai · 10-10-2008, 12:52 PM

Forget about the gayness that is ret pals for a second. Assume it will be fixed for now. Since Blizz admitted that they know it is broken.

What the fuck is going to happen with Viper Sting?

Fadaar · 10-10-2008, 12:53 PM

Main problem I have with pretty much any whining surrounding ret (or actually any class balance, why Bliz can't implement separate rulesets for PvE and PvP like Sony did like 6 fucking years ago) is that nerfing them because of arena will end up screwing things up in raiding as well.

possible · 10-10-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerai

Forget about the gayness that is ret pals for a second. Assume it will be fixed for now. Since Blizz admitted that they know it is broken.

What the fuck is going to happen with Viper Sting?

You act like Viper Sting doesn't have a huge effect currently, I don't think much will happen. Hunters complain nonstop about how they have no arena viability (which is so untrue with their new buffs, yet they keep crying) and they're basically getting buffed to a point where joe retard can get 2k rating by spamming mace stunning, entrapping explosive traps and draining everyone's mana while never going oom himself. Oh yeah, also snare reduction, a get out of melee range button, % increase in stamina that increases their ap, % increase in agi that increases their damage on crits, mana return for their team on crits, undispellable Wyvern Sting (unless you want the effect on you) that increases damage on break, % ap for their int, % bonus to hp... god.

Zerai · 10-10-2008, 01:03 PM

Well it has an effect on live. But it's still in line with other mana drains (namely mana burn and mana drain).

Both Mana burn and Mana drain are getting their cost buffed up but the drain is only scaling by like 50%. Viper stings is scaling by like 150%.

On top of all the other hunter buffs and you have a very dominating rape class.

syeren · 10-10-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lithose

WLD is just a side effect of mana regen, PMR is still pretty competitive against it.

I did war/priest up to 2k for fun, trust me, I know in 2's. One game I did 150k damage vs Rogue/Druid, their rogue did 60k. My priest was OOM, their druid still had 50% mana and we did strip his innervate..Not even remotely balanced in terms of mana use.

PMR remains competitive on live due to the fact gear progression has actually happened, however where it actually matters there is little the comp can do against WLD, although I would love to be proven wrong by the Koreans this weekend, but I am somewhat doubtful it will happen.

As for Druids in WotLK, I'm not really concerned with them at the moment due to them having mana regen issues (like all classes \o/), and there are bigger problems around like Death Knights.

As for the fucktard who downrated me with the following comment:

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10-10-2008 03:11 PM class balance. i don't understand it.

You're clearly a fucking scrub, if you think the game is at all balanced in any way at the moment or when WotLK comes out you're a fucking idiot who needs to stop breathing. At least try and argue whatever fucking retarded logic you have on this thread instead of doing your shitty anon downvote, but I'm surprised you can even use a keyboard.

possible · 10-10-2008, 02:29 PM

Interesting first match at Blizzcon, with possibly a WLD countercomp from Made in Taiwan? Hunter/priest/rogue looking very strong, since dispels are scarce and they're pulling out some solid target switches.

syeren · 10-10-2008, 02:48 PM

Unfortunately BEA is stronger than the comp Made in Taiwan presented. Was nice to see WLD losing to something for once though, shame it can be carried by an Arena :<

Mageling · 10-10-2008, 03:09 PM

Where are people finding these level 80 arena videos for the most part? I'm interested in learning more, but I've struggled in finding decent clips like the one posted a bit earlier in this thread.

Zbkuk · 10-10-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Balu1

It's also way more resiliance and stamina. I can tell you first hand that from going 70 with s2 2 hander to 80 with a savage 2 hander, it's not a huge dps gain. Going from savage to deadly is going to be an even smaller increase.

Yeah, because melee dps going from season1 to season4 went down. Oh wait a minute.

syeren · 10-10-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageling

Where are people finding these level 80 arena videos for the most part? I'm interested in learning more, but I've struggled in finding decent clips like the one posted a bit earlier in this thread.

99% of the videos aren't worth watching as they're played and recorded by terrible players.

Sck released a video with Ohnoes awhile back, however it isn't really a valuable source of information anymore due to the Paladin Holy nerfs.

Mageling · 10-10-2008, 04:36 PM

BlizzCon 2008

Arena tourney streaming.

Anyone know what the frames they are using? They're actually pretty damn cool, though they look like modified pitbull frames possibly.

The scrolling combat text next to each frame is badass though.

syeren · 10-10-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageling

BlizzCon 2008

Arena tourney streaming.

Anyone know what the frames they are using? They're actually pretty damn cool, though they look like modified pitbull frames possibly.

The scrolling combat text next to each frame is badass though.

You could indeed make that frame setup with Pitbull, however I imagine it some set of official Blizzard frames made exclusively for the spectator client.

Genjiro · 10-10-2008, 09:49 PM

Just got hit by a 6400 crit starfire, wtf indeed.

Balu1 · 10-10-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbkuk

Yeah, because melee dps going from season1 to season4 went down. Oh wait a minute.

I think you missed the point. No where, in any statement did I say dps went down. It goes up. But survivability due to gear also goes up, at a higher rate. If you can't burst someone down in a given cc combo of your make up, you have to play the war of attrition. If you don't have a ms debuff or a mana drain, you'll generally lose.

Of course people can't see that far ahead. They get smoked by a ret and come to the forums crying like a bitch about how ret is overpowered in every single way and needs to be heavily nerfed in all aspects of their game. It will only magnify how bad they suck in later seasons.

I'm all for balance, I just don't want a repeat of last xpack.

Shadow priests suck in beta pvp. Discuss!

10-10-2008, 12:53 PM	#258 (permalink)
Fadaar Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,907	Main problem I have with pretty much any whining surrounding ret (or actually any class balance, why Bliz can't implement separate rulesets for PvE and PvP like Sony did like 6 fucking years ago) is that nerfing them because of arena will end up screwing things up in raiding as well. __________________ Fadaar - 80 Paladin (Storm) - Gilneas

10-10-2008, 09:49 PM	#269 (permalink)
Genjiro We bawlin boi! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,817	Just got hit by a 6400 crit starfire, wtf indeed. __________________ Genjiro--Legacy of Steel--EQ1 sexy monk (retired) Entreri--Guildleader of Ardent Legion--EQ2 (retired) WarEagle86: "What the hell, does everyone at WVU run a 4.2 or something? Never seen that much speed before."

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10-10-2008, 12:52 PM	#257 (permalink)
Zerai ~ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: An Igloo Posts: 2,955 -7 Internets	Forget about the gayness that is ret pals for a second. Assume it will be fixed for now. Since Blizz admitted that they know it is broken. What the fuck is going to happen with Viper Sting?

10-10-2008, 01:03 PM	#260 (permalink)
Zerai ~ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: An Igloo Posts: 2,955 -7 Internets	Well it has an effect on live. But it's still in line with other mana drains (namely mana burn and mana drain). Both Mana burn and Mana drain are getting their cost buffed up but the drain is only scaling by like 50%. Viper stings is scaling by like 150%. On top of all the other hunter buffs and you have a very dominating rape class.

10-10-2008, 02:29 PM	#262 (permalink)
possible gold medal in metal Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 80 -3 Internets	Interesting first match at Blizzcon, with possibly a WLD countercomp from Made in Taiwan? Hunter/priest/rogue looking very strong, since dispels are scarce and they're pulling out some solid target switches.

10-10-2008, 02:48 PM	#263 (permalink)
syeren Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 62	Unfortunately BEA is stronger than the comp Made in Taiwan presented. Was nice to see WLD losing to something for once though, shame it can be carried by an Arena :<

10-10-2008, 03:09 PM	#264 (permalink)
Mageling the Support Analyst Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 311	Where are people finding these level 80 arena videos for the most part? I'm interested in learning more, but I've struggled in finding decent clips like the one posted a bit earlier in this thread.

10-10-2008, 04:36 PM	#267 (permalink)
Mageling the Support Analyst Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 311	BlizzCon 2008 Arena tourney streaming. Anyone know what the frames they are using? They're actually pretty damn cool, though they look like modified pitbull frames possibly. The scrolling combat text next to each frame is badass though.