[WoW] PVP and Arena Discussion (Arena Talk HERE ONLY)

[Delores Mulva]

They don't need to cockblock people on honor. They have you on Arena points.

Blue: no Arena points from anything but Arena.

Originally Posted by Wryxian

Just to confirm the previous reply; this was only temporary during the beta. You will not be able to collect Arena points from Lake Wintergrasp

Since every PvP item at level 80 requires Arena points, you must do Arena to get any level 80 PvP items. No more low turnout season fours, get back in there and help those top teams get the big rankings! And in case you forgot, all your Arena points will poof the moment you hit level 71.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Delores Mulva

They don't need to cockblock people on honor. They have you on Arena points.

Blue: no Arena points from anything but Arena.



Since every PvP item at level 80 requires Arena points, you must do Arena to get any level 80 PvP items. No more low turnout season fours, get back in there and help those top teams get the big rankings! And in case you forgot, all your Arena points will poof the moment you hit level 71.

Not anymore. Now your arena teams and points will poof the moment the expansion is released. Was posted a few posts up.

[Zerai]

Well, at least with Arena:

There will be a new, persistent rating system that should keep top-rated players facing other top-rated players, regardless of the bracket in which their current team sits. We'll have more information to come on this soon.

So in theory, you won't be feeding top rated players anymore...unless you yourself are a top rated player. We'll see if they actually accomplish that though.

[Dabamf]

Originally Posted by Delores Mulva

Since every PvP item at level 80 requires Arena points, you must do Arena to get any level 80 PvP items. No more low turnout season fours, get back in there and help those top teams get the big rankings!

I like this. No more afking watching tv and reading forums in AV for free purples. Sure you can just lose 10 games on your way, but at least you are competing for real. It's also good to dilute the arena with more of the regular player base. Well, good for me. I was always amazed that I destroy almost anyone I face in world pvp 1 on 1 (mage) but going into arena I get steamrolled. Of course I entered at the end of S3 so I'm facing point sellers en masse but it seems the competition was a lot fiercer. (Then again when I rolled a PMR team we facestomped everyone till our priest mysteriously disappeared and I couldn't find another one who didn't have downs syndrome).

Originally Posted by Zerai

So in theory, you won't be feeding top rated players anymore...unless you yourself are a top rated player. We'll see if they actually accomplish that though.

That's awesome news. Having S4 weapon geared players at 1600 is the biggest problem with arena right now. Yes, even worse than unstoppable combos.

[Itzena]

Speaking of PvP: World of Warcraft (English) Forums -> Are There Plans for New Battlegrounds?

Actually, we have been discussing new battlegrounds quite a bit lately. Wrath of the Lich King will feature Strand of the Ancients (attack/defend) as well as Wintergrasp (non-instanced, world PvP).

But past that, we are exploring ideas that would involve expanding our Battleground content in future patches and beyond. We believe we have some strong ideas for improving Battlegrounds and PvP as a whole in the game and we're definitely going to focus on improvements in the future. Now, it's very early to be talking about some of this stuff but I think it's important for the community to know that it's on our minds.

Our general thought is that we could provide more BG content over time. The BG content that we could provide could be of higher quality with a higher degree of accessibility. Overall, we'd like to have more content and variety. We also want the gameplay experience in the BGs to be better directed. We're also exploring the concept of a complimentary "competitive" bg system as well. Over time, we'd like the focus of PvP to shift back to being more BG-centric and more focused on Horde versus Alliance -- the core of our game.

We're also planning on improving some Battleground and PvP features in general. For example, we want to give you the ability to queue for Battlegrounds from anywhere in the world. We're also going to explore EXP gain through the PvP system as well as low level itemization to support that.

Please don't take this post as a promise. This won't be an overnight process. Not all of these things are set in stone and guaranteed to happen. It would take us a while to shift in this direction. But these are some of the current thoughts on the development team. I think it's important for you guys to know some of our thought process in regards to PvP.

Translation: We're going to steal every good idea from WAR that we can.

[Lithose]

WAR is going to be a great thing for WoW, I love how Blizzard is like the borg of gaming.

[darksensei]

Horde versus Alliance hasn't been the core of the game since people hit level 60. I would love to see the implement more things to encourage this, not just PVP but competitive PVE like some Guild War missions?

[Zbkuk]

Our general thought is that we could provide more BG content over time.

I know I'm taking it out of context and all, but this still strikes me as ridiculous. Did they really think 1 BG per expansion was enough, with the same stale 3 original BGs still being required? I guess better late than never though I suppose.

[Zerai]

It's like they think they can only make new BGs, and not just new maps for the same BGs. I'd much rather prefer if I queued for WSG, I didn't always just WSG, but I got a CTF map.

[Gnome Eater]

Battlegrounds suffer from completely flawed effort/reward.


Battlegrounds reward raw time sitting with people you do not know achieving an objective, and winning or losing doesn't really make a huge difference in terms of reward.

Think about everything that is good in Arenas: The competition, playing with partners you know/trust, the lack of a timesink. Imagine if you were rewarded based on how many games of arenas you played, and that your partners in arenas were randomly chosen.

If you want to make battlegrounds more fun:
- Make them require fewer people.
- Make a serious ladder for people who wish to partake in it that awards vastly more honor.
- Penalties for losing.
- Support for premade teams/leagues.
- Make it so a 2 hour gruelling WSG match between premades is a better reward than stomping pugs 3-0 for 2 hours, and afk'ing out whenever you meet a team that doesn't suck.

Really, right now there are three ways of earning honor for high end players:
- Bot it with an alarm that goes off whenever you receive a whisper.
- AFK and tab in every once in a while to cast a heal
- Get a premade during a pvp-weekend and stomp pugs to max out marks.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

Really, right now there are three ways of earning honor for high end players:

Option Number 4. Get your healer and carry 13 other dipshits to victory.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Option Number 4. Get your healer and carry 13 other dipshits to victory.

Disclaimer -- Not always effective since you can only control one node.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Option Number 4. Get your healer and carry 13 other dipshits to victory.

So you can put a lot of effort for 15 minutes and maybe win, and get 3x the reward, or you can be completely afk reading a book or doing something productive and get 1/3 the reward?

What do you think people are going to choose.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

So you can put a lot of effort for 15 minutes and maybe win, and get 3x the reward, or you can be completely afk reading a book or doing something productive and get 1/3 the reward?

What do you think people are going to choose.

Oh, I completely understand. I'm sure 3/4 of those people are AFK judging from their performance. I just have a hard time being a complete piece of shit.

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by TheCutlery

Oh, I completely understand. I'm sure 3/4 of those people are AFK judging from their performance. I just have a hard time being a complete piece of shit.

I don't, hell, just the 5 seconds that I decide not to AFK in a BG makes me more useful than those ret paladins with season1 weapons who don't have cleanse bound.

Make it so I can earn honor fighting with my peers against some people that are equally skilled in a reasonable amount of time and I will do that. Force me to grind alongside the lowest common denominator and I will just find a way around it.