Warhammer Online - Will you play?

[The Ancient]

Thanks for writing that out, most descriptive and seemingly non-biased comparison I've seen yet.

[Senen]

Originally Posted by krinkled

Sorry didnt realize people would really want my opinion on specifics.

So here we go:

PvE This one is no contest whatsoever, WotLK offers more complexity, strategy, depth, polish, and just a ton more content than WAR. If you like PvE your choice is easy, stick with WotLK as WAR doesn't even really come close. WAR does have public quests which are a great idea on paper, but they really are limiting when it comes to complexity and depth and are in no way a sufficient substitute for the huge variety of content offerred in WotLK.

PvP This one is not so clear at all, and I would rate WotLK and WAR about even. Whether you like PvP better in WotLK or WoW is really going to come down to your personal preference. If you like world PvP and Battlegrounds then there is a good chance you may enjoy WAR more (or if you couldn't hack it in arena and want to be rewarded more for time spent). WAR is full of world objectives and RvR. However, I would offer the following caveats: WAR PvP mechanics are less complex, there are way fewer strategy type moves and counters. There is a lot of mindless zerg. It is also my opinion that the combat in WAR feels less responsive. YMMV.

Graphics/Art This category offerred the biggest suprise for me. I really expected WAR to blow WotLK out of the water. Not so. I was very impressed by the graphics upgrades in Northrend. In fact in some ways Northrend graphics look superior to WAR. (draw distance is a great example). WotLK is a much bigger graphics upgrade over TBC than TBC was over vanilla WoW. Blizzard really impressed me.

Overall I would give WotLK a 9/10 and WAR a 7/10. Both are good games, but only one really has the polish, depth and variety that will keep me playing 12 months from now.

So are you saying WoW has done a graphic engine revamp to increase there poly count. I mean this is one of the single biggest reasons I refuse to return to the game is the cartoon quality graphics. If so I'd like to see more info or a press release stating that they have infact revamped the graphics. EQ over the years revamped there graphics engine and put out some press on it so I'd expect the same from Blizzard in this reguard. Also the polish is apples/oranges I don't know how many times people have to say it. A game thats been out several years now should obviously have the advantage here aswell with content no suprise.

[Cinge]

Yes , I will be playing. The pathing was fine before preview weekend, there was no issue, then they broke it with the patch, so I would assume it can be fixed easily.

I have faith in the Animation fixes. Hell the jump they made from original combat fluidness to the new combat code was big, so again another assumption they can improve upon it further.

Also remember the GCD is 1.5 seconds, The ui just shows 2 seconds, because it rounds up(no clue why, seems odd and hopefully changed) this is why it seems you can cast under the 2 second mark, and maybe some of the reason people desync so much, who knows.

PVP- Also to krinkled about PVP, complaining about the zerg is mainly the persons involved fault. No once forces you to join in the zerg back and forth. In daoc the best times were running around in a grp, against other grps, or rolling small zergs from behind, doing hit and runs and things like that. You did get involved in some bigger fights with keep taking, but the majority of it is done in grp environment. If you choose to join the zerg on zerg, then complain about it, that sucks. Hell you don't even need a group of friends to do group rvr. I had a couple times in beta and weekend I found a group though the open party and convinced them to run around as a group taking objectives and doing hit and runs outside their warcamp. Far and above anything WoW does pvp wise(besides tournament style hope you got a good make up arena). Plus I enjoy the no tons of CC crap. I dunno how you call it strategy and counters, its just CC. I for one am happy there's no sheep, fear , stunlock crap, or hell even chain CC(as all CC gives immunity for a time, except i think knockback).

PVE- they don't tout this as a pve game, so meh, its good enough to supplement the RVR game and provide a nice side activity when needed. The PQs are fun, and widely varied stage wise. The one dungeon I did in my mid 20s in beta was fun, not OMG awesome, but hey something to do on the side.

Graphics- I wont comment, because you cant put everything on high quality, You can force AA and AF , but I want the full spectrum on HIGH , not just AA and AF to see the game(though admittedly in big rvr fights your not going to be on super high, which is fine). Though I will admit, putting 16x AA and AF makes it looks alot better just with those 2.

[Drtyrm]

Not a bad write up until:

(or if you couldn't hack it in arena and want to be rewarded more for time spent)

The arena system is flawed in so many ways and on so many levels that I can't take your PvP opinion seriously. Especially when you follow up with WAR is less complex? At most you could only level to 20 this weekend, so that's a false claim on its face.

[krinkled]

Originally Posted by Senen

So are you saying WoW has done a graphic engine revamp to increase there poly count. I mean this is one of the single biggest reasons I refuse to return to the game is the cartoon quality graphics.

The art style is still the same.

However lets just say there will be some whining when WotLK is released and people find they can no longer run the game at max settings with 60fps.

[krinkled]

Originally Posted by Drtyrm

Not a bad write up until:

The arena system is flawed in so many ways and on so many levels that I can't take your PvP opinion seriously. Especially when you follow up with WAR is less complex? At most you could only level to 20 this weekend, so that's a false claim on its face.

Ive been in closed beta. Anyway not everyone will agree with me, and thats why people should try the game for themselves.

[Senen]

Originally Posted by krinkled

The art style is still the same.

However lets just say there will be some whining when WotLK is released and people find they can no longer run the game at max settings with 60fps.

Well that sounds like a bad move then if they haven't upped the poly count and at most increased draw distance thats nothing to get excited about. In that case WaR wins graphics hands down especialy if you've seen any of the end game content and armor sets first hand nothing in WoW comes close to that.

[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by Drtyrm

The arena system is flawed in so many ways and on so many levels that I can't take your PvP opinion seriously. Especially when you follow up with WAR is less complex? At most you could only level to 20 this weekend, so that's a false claim on its face.

Yeah, I'm not really sure how you could claim the pvp systems to be equal. I love the WotLK beta so far, but PVP is still a completely tacked on joke. WAR blows it away.

[krinkled]

Originally Posted by Senen

Well that sounds like a bad move then if they haven't upped the poly count and at most increased draw distance thats nothing to get excited about. In that case WaR wins graphics hands down especialy if you've seen any of the end game content and armor sets first hand nothing in WoW comes close to that.

They have definitely increased the poly count. Not on the player character models, but on everything else.

[Pharazon]

Originally Posted by krinkled

PvP This one is not so clear at all, and I would rate WotLK and WAR about even. Whether you like PvP better in WotLK or WoW is really going to come down to your personal preference. If you like world PvP and Battlegrounds then there is a good chance you may enjoy WAR more (or if you couldn't hack it in arena and want to be rewarded more for time spent). WAR is full of world objectives and RvR. However, I would offer the following caveats: WAR PvP mechanics are less complex, there are way fewer strategy type moves and counters. There is a lot of mindless zerg. It is also my opinion that the combat in WAR feels less responsive. YMMV.

This is the only point that matters for me, and probably for most of the people that are considering playing War over WoW. Obviously WoW is going to have better PvE, we don't care. But your points here on the PvP front are not convincing at all. Firstly, I doubt you really have a handle on all the intracicies of War PvP at endgame from your beta testing. Its easy to say WoW is more complex when you've seen the mechanics for a couple years. But even if WoW PvP is a bit more complex, the bottom line is this: who cares if the entire PvP premise sucks balls in the first place. 4 battlegrounds and arena as two years of PvP content is ridiculous. I gather they're adding a world PvP zone in WotLK, but I'm going to assume it doesn't stand up to War's RvR until I hear differently.

[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by krinkled

Ive been in closed beta. Anyway not everyone will agree with me, and thats why people should try the game for themselves.

You've been in beta for <2 weeks. Anyone reading that opinion may want to take it with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by Krinkled on 8/13

Can someone explain why I got a Beta invite over 4 days ago now, but all the servers I see are still down and I cannot log into the beta forums???

This is even though the patcher recognizes my accoutn fine and lets me log in.

I got to say this is reaching the point where I may just say screw WAR and stay with my 5-box Shammy team.

Why invite someone and then deny them access?????

[Senen]

Originally Posted by krinkled

They have definitely increased the poly count. Not on the player character models, but on everything else.

Thats the place they need the most attention the World never realy had issues. WoW is way over due for a graphic engine, character model revamp I know they probly won't do one until the cows done being milked for all she's worth.

[Eonan]

If anything Krinkled's posts have been more than entertaining. Hell, no one else could of derailed the WAR beta topic more than he did. Its really just funny watching him trip over himself as he tries to bash the game based on his two weeks of experience.

[Maique]

Originally Posted by krinkled

Sorry didnt realize people would really want my opinion on specifics.

So here we go:

PvE This one is no contest whatsoever, WotLK offers more complexity, strategy, depth, polish, and just a ton more content than WAR. If you like PvE your choice is easy, stick with WotLK as WAR doesn't even really come close. WAR does have public quests which are a great idea on paper, but they really are limiting when it comes to complexity and depth and are in no way a sufficient substitute for the huge variety of content offerred in WotLK.

PvP This one is not so clear at all, and I would rate WotLK and WAR about even. Whether you like PvP better in WotLK or WoW is really going to come down to your personal preference. If you like world PvP and Battlegrounds then there is a good chance you may enjoy WAR more (or if you couldn't hack it in arena and want to be rewarded more for time spent). WAR is full of world objectives and RvR. However, I would offer the following caveats: WAR PvP mechanics are less complex, there are way fewer strategy type moves and counters. There is a lot of mindless zerg. It is also my opinion that the combat in WAR feels less responsive. YMMV.

Graphics/Art This category offerred the biggest suprise for me. I really expected WAR to blow WotLK out of the water. Not so. I was very impressed by the graphics upgrades in Northrend. In fact in some ways Northrend graphics look superior to WAR. (draw distance is a great example). WotLK is a much bigger graphics upgrade over TBC than TBC was over vanilla WoW. Blizzard really impressed me.

Overall I would give WotLK a 9/10 and WAR a 7/10. Both are good games, but only one really has the polish, depth and variety that will keep me playing 12 months from now.

What the fuck, pvp about even in WoW and WAR? jesus fucking christ you're either a shill or a complete moron...

[krinkled]

WAR really seems to attract the vicious fanboys. Say anything other than WAR is the second coming of Jesus, and they will attack you personally.

I thought my review was fairly balanced and not in any way flamebait.