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[Necrolyte]

Originally Posted by Mazim

First and foremost either the GCD doesn't apply to instant cast spells, or the its buggy. Test this yourself. You can easily get 1 heal cast off every second according to the chatlog. It's not skipping seconds either as you will see.

It's not bugged really. In a perfect, lag-free environment, insta-casts are hit with a 1.5s GCD. You're viewing the combat log, which is rounded to the nearest second, so all the half-seconds are mashed together. With latency, what happens is a previous cast gets mashed with the next cast in the combat log, or other crazy stuff that happens with lag.

It's kinda like the bug where if you mash Morale abilities enough sometimes it looks like you trigger two of them.

Also, the survival tests are nice, but again, your cast sequence is setup to the be the least amount for the 5 seconds. With that they might be close together, however the overall cost of "my" way would still be higher. However it doesn't factor in the amount of damage your mitigating from running around and being out of range, and such which was the point of my first post.

I don't understand your point of "least amount for the 5s." However, your last point about mitigation of damage from running around and being out of range... the best healers in the game are not being damaged during the 3s heal. If they were, they wouldn't be able to cast it now would they?

Remember, the point is, if you can cast the 3s heal, then do so. No one said "always use the big heal because XYZ." It's "if you can, do it" because it's high in AP efficiency with decent HPS, while also allowing you to regain AP.

A lot of your comments are like lack of MMO basics. Everyone knows the big, slow heals are more efficient with decent heal-per-sec, and the small, fast heals are terrible in efficiency but with high HPS. Just like everyone knows regens/HoTs are always the most efficient, but usually lowest HPS.

PS - You are misquoting Hatorade/me a lot in your post. The last 2 comments are Hatorade's, so I didn't respond to them.

[lost]

So as I've played my zealot in scenarios, I realize they're pretty much subpar dps with mostly healing, they do get cool spells later but not enough for me, I want to be able to be support class but also rape someones face if they're ATLEAST half dead.. so I went to a witch elf, they seem to be pretty badass but after doing about 10 khaine's embrace today I realize all those damn archers and BW's are going to rape my face in pvp without stealth..

so I'm thinking about trying a shaman or a squig herder, anyone who's played them tell me how they are? Do squig herders do good bow damage? Whats the odds of killing someone in pvp with your bow and not your pet? Or is it required to have to sick your pet to kill someone? What are cool things about your squigs? Its tempting to play, I like the whole greenskin chat and skill names etc, I'm trying to decide if I want to be a dpser or healer/dps (atleast it says shamans can dps too.. can they?)

How are shamans in pvp? mostly healers?

PS I went against a lvl 11 runepriest with my lvl 9 witch elf, and the runepriest kicked my ass, wtf wish my zealot was that baller.

[Necrolyte]

Originally Posted by lost

So as I've played my zealot in scenarios, I realize they're pretty much subpar dps with mostly healing, they do get cool spells later but not enough for me, I want to be able to be support class but also rape someones face if they're ATLEAST half dead.. so I went to a witch elf, they seem to be pretty badass but after doing about 10 khaine's embrace today I realize all those damn archers and BW's are going to rape my face in pvp without stealth..

so I'm thinking about trying a shaman or a squig herder, anyone who's played them tell me how they are? Do squig herders do good bow damage? Whats the odds of killing someone in pvp with your bow and not your pet? Or is it required to have to sick your pet to kill someone? What are cool things about your squigs? Its tempting to play, I like the whole greenskin chat and skill names etc, I'm trying to decide if I want to be a dpser or healer/dps (atleast it says shamans can dps too.. can they?)

How are shamans in pvp? mostly healers?

PS I went against a lvl 11 runepriest with my lvl 9 witch elf, and the runepriest kicked my ass, wtf wish my zealot was that baller.

Rune Priests have some of the worst damage in the game btw. There's no reason your R9 Witch Elf should have lost, especially if it was really 1v1 and the RP wasn't secretly getting healed or you weren't getting damaged from afar.

In saying this, don't Witch Elves get Stealth at R10? I know Witch Hunters do and they should be mirrors.

[Hatorade]

Mazim go back to lurking until you can grasp the basic healing mechanics. Do your choosen side a favor and roll and squishy.

[lost]

Well let me correct myself, it was myself vs him and his buddies, I couldnt outdo his healing. Yes at 10 you do get some kind of stealth but far as I know its not a true stealth, you can still see me, i just fade to enemies, kind of like silent walk in lineage 2. I'd have to try it in pvp, I wouldnt thikn it to make me invisible to people, if so then I have a new found hope in that class.

[Mazim]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

Mazim go back to lurking until you can grasp the basic healing mechanics. Do your choosen side a favor and roll and squishy.

This is trolling;P

Ya sorry for the misquotes damn copy and paste.

[Necrolyte]

Originally Posted by lost

Well let me correct myself, it was myself vs him and his buddies, I couldnt outdo his healing. Yes at 10 you do get some kind of stealth but far as I know its not a true stealth, you can still see me, i just fade to enemies, kind of like silent walk in lineage 2. I'd have to try it in pvp, I wouldnt thikn it to make me invisible to people, if so then I have a new found hope in that class.

Well, if it's you vs his buddies, it's nearly impossible for you to bring down a RP because he's healing himself, and might be receiving healing or Guard from tanks.

I don't know why you would ever expect to win that situation. In T1, healing is quite powerful and classes don't get healing debuffs and silences until T2+. So in T1, you'll have difficult DPSing a healer down 1v1, but you shouldn't ever die to one either.

About stealth, people can't see you really. It just drains AP, so you have to be decisive in when and where you use it.

[lost]

Ah really cant see? Ill check it out later, messing with a shaman at the moment. I guess I figured I could wtfpwn an RP cause on my zealot I get wtfpwned all the time, guess pretty unbalanced or zealot isnt the match up to the RP, perhaps shaman is? And yeah I didnt die to one in 1v1, I actually almost killed him when he was alone, but then his buddies came, they take longer than usual and with atleast one other person I cant do it.

Anyway still curious how squig herders are to play, dps etc, and shamans.. shamans seem fun with the waagh stuff.

[Sithro]

So, I haven't really kept tabs on this game with school and all. Can someone give me a gist of what it's like?

[Cinge]

Originally Posted by Sithro

So, I haven't really kept tabs on this game with school and all. Can someone give me a gist of what it's like?

Entire 79 page thread.. start reading. Start about 5 pages back, will give you gist of current OB.

[Teljair]

Originally Posted by Sithro

So, I haven't really kept tabs on this game with school and all. Can someone give me a gist of what it's like?

You can't figure it out from the hundreds of posts about the game?

[Pyros]

lost, about which class to play, I'd say, if you liked support healing, but want to melt faces, then shaman/archmage are good classes, they do just that. You heal, and each consecutive heals reduce the cast time of your next damage spell. The contrary works too(so you can chain nuke then instant heal), and on top of that, you get bonuses to the spells. Also, those classes do more base damage than zealots/RPs, while giving up a bit of healing power. They seem very fun imo.

As for witch elves, they only shine with decent support. You probably want one, or 2 healers, and if possible a tank guarding you. However, once you start getting good weapons(lvl 8 I think for first renown weaps), you start tearing apart clothies. The DPS difference at low level is low between classes, but as you level up, it increases. But a witch elf/hunter alone still sucks most of the time. Earlier I was doing some quests in the RvR zone of tier2, as a 14 DoK, and I got jumped by 3 witch hunters in a row(1 after the other). I raped all 3. They were doing decent DPS, but they also were taking way too much(and I was slotted for 1vs1).

We have a witch elf in our current setup, and with me and a shaman healing him, he does just fine stealthing behind the tank lines and killing bright wizards in 3secs. The issue is those damn roots, they need to fix that before live, perma root shit and stuff is annoying as hell.

[lost]

Yeah I go for the clothies first, they drop in no time, yeah I was thinkign that once go live and my guildies get on it may work out with the witch elf but then again I can just be a shaman and help out even more, yeah I'm playing the shaman now I like the WAAAGH stuff, it seems pretty fun. and yeah that root is lame.. like i say by time i get to these rooters or archers im half dead lol

[Grumpy Old Fart]

I really feel sorry for Sorcerers and, from a pure pity standpoint, hope they get some serious love before "live", even though I'll be playing Order. They're almost a "free kill" for any other class in the game, and their trump card - AE damage - seems to really suck (other than making your name pop up as a target for any Order that don't already have one).

During the big "TM/SS" RvR fights in T2, those poor Sorc players are pretty much just nuking a few times, dying, running back to the fight, rinse, repeat all night long, it seems. On my Archmage, they're pretty much fucked if they don't have a healer paying really close attention and I'm in "anti-RDPS" mode. Last night, Destruction had 5-10 of them, and I did nothing all night long but kill them all, over and over. I felt pretty shitty by the end of the night.

I haven't played the Sorc long enough to offer any suggestions, but it sure seems BW/Sorc AE damage is extremely weak. Maybe some sort of "Mana Shield" ability to add some survivability. As it is now, I'm having reverse-flashbacks of my WoW mage in the level 60 days, with some fights (*cough* warlock, priest *cough*) being completely hopeless.

And, on another note, if you haven't done Apothecary, you might want to at least stop at a Trade Merchant and mix up 40-60 healing potions. Watching so many poor Destruction idiots die to my relatively weak DoTs as they run away is crazy, when even a 150 point healing potion (which you can make with 1 skill point) would have saved their ass.

[Shinrai]

So as I understand it there are people testing the higher level game on an "elder" server and they're still under an NDA this close to release? That puts up a potential red flag in my mind.