WAR NDA officially lifted. Post pics and info!

[Tolanin]

Originally Posted by machineman

In WoW, any reputation you earn for a given faction at Level 1 does in fact contribute to your character in something you might want to do at end game. Do Renown points get "spent"?

are you fucking kidding?

[Harkon]

Originally Posted by machineman

Unless I don't fully understand how renown points work, they are like a combination of honor points and reputation. In WoW, any reputation you earn for a given faction at Level 1 does in fact contribute to your character in something you might want to do at end game. Do Renown points get "spent"?

Also I am pretty sure you can't raise your renown rank to higher than your character level. Now I am not sure if you just do RvR stuff if that's enough to keep up with each other, or are you waiting for one to catch up to the other....

There are 80 renown ranks and 40 Level ranks. Renown is like a separate leveling system for being able to use/wear PVP rewards.

[Necrolyte]

Originally Posted by machineman

Unless I don't fully understand how renown points work, they are like a combination of honor points and reputation. In WoW, any reputation you earn for a given faction at Level 1 does in fact contribute to your character in something you might want to do at end game. Do Renown points get "spent"?

Also I am pretty sure you can't raise your renown rank to higher than your character level. Now I am not sure if you just do RvR stuff if that's enough to keep up with each other, or are you waiting for one to catch up to the other....

Are you being serious here? Very rarely does L1 faction contribute to any factions you want to acquire at level cap.

Furthermore, Renown Points are not even close to Reputation/Honor Points. They can be spent to acquire abilities, and there's a whole line of abilities in 3 tiers for Renown Points.

You actually can't level up Renown past your Level because there's 80 Renown Ranks, and there's 40 Levels. Since every PvP scenario or open RvR you do levels both, you are almost always at Level and Level/2 Renown Levels (aka L10, Renown Rank 5 or similar) if you PvP to level.

In WAR, you advance in PvE Core Abilities, Masteries (Talents), and Renown Masteries (Renown Point advancement).

PS - Can you fucking stop with the "I'm not sure but..." "I am pretty sure that..." It's clear you don't have a fucking clue.

[Daezuel]

As far as your respective rank/renown it really depends on how you play.

I managed to have my Archmage at rank 15/renown 13 and at one point it was dead even before I decided to get a couple levels pve'ing. I did the opposite on a Witch Hunter, got him up to rank 8 before even starting with renown.

[Wilfan]

Originally Posted by gremlinz273

I know it's pretty basic, but the simple fact that you can queue for bg's from anywhere, then have it return you to exactly where you left off, is fucking amazing. I was begging for that shit in WoW from the day they released wsg.

You can't queue from bgs from anywhere. You can queue for a BG linked to the zone you're in. Tough luck if you have quests in a zone A with crap BG (like one of those ABs but with 3 flags) and the really cool BG in zone B. Even tougher if zone A doesn't have a flight master...

[Wilfan]

Originally Posted by Necrolyte

In WAR, the end-game is RvR and PvP. However, the developers let you contribute and progress in this "end-game" from L1. Your Renown Ranks and Points carry all the way to "end-game" in WAR, so people take their time and the game becomes about the journey and not necessarily just the end.

We'll see. On template servers, cities went down without a single player setting foot in T1 and T2. Yes, in the end it's all about tuning the parameters. But even if they make lower tiers significantly contribute to city capture effort at the start, I don't expect them too keep that in after majority reaches the rank cap. Mandatory (or exploitable, not much difference in practice) lower tier PvP would murder the game, esp. with no planned XP gain toggle.

[gremlinz273]

Originally Posted by Wilfan

You can't queue from bgs from anywhere. You can queue for a BG linked to the zone you're in. Tough luck if you have quests in a zone A with crap BG (like one of those ABs but with 3 flags) and the really cool BG in zone B. Even tougher if zone A doesn't have a flight master...

So, go do quests in the zone with the bg you want to do. There is never a reason to stick to quests you dont want to do, you arent gaining rep or anything and there are two other race's quest areas you can level in instead. All zones have flightmasters, they are in every warcamp. Also, you can party with someone in another area and have them que you.

[Jaded]

You can't queue from bgs from anywhere. You can queue for a BG linked to the zone you're in. Tough luck if you have quests in a zone A with crap BG (like one of those ABs but with 3 flags) and the really cool BG in zone B. Even tougher if zone A doesn't have a flight master...

Yeah, they really need to let you queue for any scenario you're eligible for regardless of what zone you're in. Dwarf and elf scenarios were pretty barren on preview weekend until they started forcing people to queue for them.

[Wilfan]

Originally Posted by gremlinz273

So, go do quests in the zone with the bg you want to do. There is never a reason to stick to quests you dont want to do, you arent gaining rep or anything and there are two other race's quest areas you can level in instead. All zones have flightmasters, they are in every warcamp. Also, you can have someone in your party queue you to a bg in another area.

Yes, go to that zone and stand in queue for the quest mobs with the rest of the server. Or sometimes, suffer the brownest zone in the game.

Not having ability to queue for any scenario you're eligible from anywhere is one of those stupid and completely unnecessary WAR designs. Same as putting flight masters only in warcamps (so no FPs in quest hubs) and then to make it worse, making a few zones with no warcamps at all.

[Necrolyte]

Originally Posted by Jaded

Yeah, they really need to let you queue for any scenario you're eligible for regardless of what zone you're in. Dwarf and elf scenarios were pretty barren on preview weekend until they started forcing people to queue for them.

They should probably learn from Battle.net matching, if they are going to let people queue every eligible scenario.

i.e = when you queue, you get a list of all eligible zones, and you just assign priority which zone you want as your first choice, second choice, third choice, then the server will automate and put you in one.

This would be to help alleviate some zones getting all the action, or some zones missing 1-2 people and waiting a super long time.

[gremlinz273]

Originally Posted by Wilfan

Not having ability to queue for any scenario you're eligible from anywhere is one of those stupid and completely unnecessary WAR designs.

Well, some minor and completely work-aroundable issues aside, it is still an ORDER of MAGNITUDE better than the stupid and completely unnecessary WoW design they have been using for the last four years.

[Mogley]

Not being able to queue across all 3 pairings from anywhere is kind of annoying, but it's no big deal to work around it. Group with a guildy in the other pairing and have them queue you there, or find some random person to do it. You don't even have to pass party leader around. Anyone in the group can queue the group for a scenario.

[CyrusReij]

Originally Posted by Mogley

Not being able to queue across all 3 pairings from anywhere is kind of annoying, but it's no big deal to work around it. Group with a guildy in the other pairing and have them queue you there, or find some random person to do it. You don't even have to pass party leader around. Anyone in the group can queue the group for a scenario.

this

[Zarcath]

I'd rather take the ability to actually queue into a BG from anywhere and still be able to do shit instead of having to stand around town waiting for my queue to pop up.

[Velk]

Originally Posted by Digits

How much time do you get as a max tiered twink? A few hours? That will fly in tier 1 PVP, but tier 2 and 3 will be abandoned if people have to continually level characters to enjoy those zones. More than that, they have no reason to not implement /noexp if they have precise control over how powerful players can be via gear and renown caps. Sure, this is catering to people who can't hack it tier 4 RVR but they know it's for the best for their game (and their pocket book).

Sorry, I strongly disagree - in my opinion battleground twinks are one of the largest reasons for the dire state of WoW instance pvp.

Part of the appeal of WAR was going into the pvp scenarios with a complete newb character and being able to do some recognisable participation without being rolled by characters with an insurmountable gear advantage. And this experience fell to shit once they started filling up with the RR6 geared people.