[WoW] Korean players turn high-end raiding into profits

[Maio]

WoW Forums -> Your opinions on GOLD raids?

Don't know the veracity of this but it sounds like "a cool idea" (tm).

[Kolle]

that post just sounds like someone trying to be snobby and get attention.

raids are pugged on us servers, just not the small servers. actually it seems like the korean gold raids are just a bunch of people throwing their money away to someone that probably doesn't deserve it. unless he's fudging the truth and simply doing what some US guilds have been doing forever...taking a bunch of guildies then just filling some slots with people paying for loot.

anyways i join pugs for raids on alts all the time. za/gruul/mag/kara/tk/ssc. no paying for loot, just rolling.

[Vardisk]

Yea, tons of top end raiding guilds have sold T6 loot for ages. It's how they funded Sunwell progression and could give 100% consumable and repair reimbursement. Drow spent just over 300,000g from when Sunwell opened until Kil'jaeden died, and that money certainly didn't come from just selling gems and BoE.

[Mist]

They're not talking about guilds selling items for gold. They're talking about a completely different paradigm of running raids from the EQ-style raiding guild/DKP model. Chinese raids work like this too.

[Maleficence]

I really like this raiding mechanic. Though a lot of it rests on the RL's shoulders and his integrity.

[rangoth]

This actually reminds me a bit of FFXI and linkshells.

For those who don't care to read the thread:

1.) This not a guild selling loot rights
2.) Everyone who attends the raid(even leaders) bid on items that drop. The winner pays the raid leader the item cost. At the end of the raid, all of the money from the items is then distributed 100% evenly across all raid members(or just the ones who didn't get loot, varies).
Example: During the raid all the items sold add up to 50k gold. After the raid each raid member would get 2k. Or if it is just distributed to those who got no loot, the money would be evenly distributed among those.

The people that attend are from all different guilds. Gear level is expected to be on par. Essentially you are in a guild with your friends. Perhaps you just do 10 mans, maybe you are PvP guild....maybe you just like guild for the bank and chat channel amongst your real life buddies, but you can go on these money raids to EARN money.

Go don't loot. Make 5k. Do this all the time, save up gold, and one day on a raid actually bid on something you want. Its using gold instead of DKP in raid environment. It actually makes a little bit of sense(at least to me). It crosses the guild barrier which is nice, you can use the money for anything you want, and it gives people a chance to get nice items.

I got the impression this was a mostly asian attitude, but still cool.

[Kolle]

ok that's a bit more clear. i don't know that i would prefer it to simply rolling on items.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

It's exactly the same as bidding with DKP - except, your DKP is determined by how much gold you can bring with you (or, how many previous raids you earned gold on).

He made a great point though - guild-only exclusive raids limit the number of people that can learn essential skills , thereby limiting the pool of people you can recruit from. The Korean paradigm involves letting anyone who can pay the entry fee raid and learn, they teach each other, and everyone learns the skills required to excel, thereby increasing the pool of people you can guild with and prosper with.

Asian mentality at work.

[Wilfan]

The idea is great. But I doubt it's common even in Asia. It relies too much on a good, trusted raid leader. Usually people like that get snapped up by the top end guilds or form their own.

[Quineloe]

First reply in the thread is already completly retarded, like always on the WOW forums.

Why do you have to grind when you get a 3k share just for those warglaves?

This system even has merits over DKP. There actually is reason to attend raids when you don't need anything anymore

[Chrisb3]

What I am concerned about is where all this gold is coming from. Does it average zero sum over time or is everyone going to be killing themselves grinding gold?

Then consider that this would be like a bidding DKP system where instead of bids starting high and dropping as more and more people get the loot, they will instead stay high as the entire server could end up in your raids.

No offspec loot for fun either, you need the gold and theres a new healer in the raid.

Then you'll get people coming to your raid just to skip on all the loot and take your gold.

[Sharmai]

I like this system I wish I could be on a server like this. I would imagine good trusted RL's would either become known fast over time or be listed on the forums. I doubt your going to be running very many raids if you jack war glaives or 100,000g. As a matter of fact I'd bet because the community is so involved with each other that any player who did this would become quite well known and banned from all raids permanently.

Oh and I don't think it would be to hard to have that kind of money flowing around if everyone was into a system like that. I mean think about it high end raiders would be buying their gear at high prices and that would be distributed about 20 other people. Over the course of the raid with thousands of g being thrown around I'd imagine it wouldn't take to long to make back double your entry fee plus more.

If you think about it even if the raid sucks you still make money. Lets say you ony kill one boss and the 3 items go for 5k each. 22 people are going to split the total of the entry fees plus 15k. Not bad for a failed raid right?

[Sharmai]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

Then consider that this would be like a bidding DKP system where instead of bids starting high and dropping as more and more people get the loot, they will instead stay high as the entire server could end up in your raids.

No offspec loot for fun either, you need the gold and theres a new healer in the raid.

Then you'll get people coming to your raid just to skip on all the loot and take your gold.

Couldn't they just keep your fee if you leave early?I mean if you bid on something and win so your done it doesn't make a difference anyway does it? Some new guy comes in and pays more to the fee. So anyone who stays in could get a nice chunk of that at the end right.

[Loco]

I love the concept of this, but the US servers would screw it up entirely. Raid leaders would /q after getting the gold, people would whine about loot prices, the AH prices would skyrocket. Idiots would argue that since they did more damage they 'deserve more money', others would be having fits over consumables used, you'd have arguments over whether the money should be split after each piece or at the end, etc.

I think the average player on the US servers would hate it because the system doesn't hold your hand. In general, the people I see only like to raid on a welfare type system. It would be awesome to pick and choose what classes/specs you wanted for the raid though! Pick the guy who obviously knows what he's doing or has a reputation for being a great player, etc.

I think the only way this would make it to our servers would be if a /split system of some sort existed. The raid leader would assign a piece of loot to you under a master looting "raid split" option. You then punch in the amount of gold to split among the raid, the raid leader and you both click 'accept' and transaction complete. Everyone else gets your money and you get the item.

[Sharmai]

I would imagine you would probably have to work your way up in this system. Like you have to have a guild beind you who already trusts you or mabye you start this off in small raids where the entry fee is only like 50g and you aren't handling 40k in gold. After while people trust you and you can run big raids and people will trust you with the gold.

If you think about it don't you know anyone in your guild who you would trust to run a raid legit like this? I can think of at least a couple including me. It would be stupid to run out with 100k and then find myself banned from raiding with anyone every again. Yippe 100k and nothing to do with it....